This poll was nominated for deletion on March 30, 2007. The result of the discussion was Speedy keep.

This poll and its talk page are a frequent source of heated debate. Please try to keep a cool head when commenting here.

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• Pre-poll Archives: Archive 1 • Archive 2 • Archive 3
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The one thing I was going to do before the time this disaster was scheduled to get off the ground was to make a subpage with suggested questions and link to it. I thought I had two days to do that before the consensus to start no earlier than 00:00 2 April.

I won't bother to assemble it (it would be non-trivial work) if it's going to revwerted by the revert warriors among us. Well? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't revert it. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

You haven't reverted anything; I have reverted chiefly undiscussed reversions. I wasn't concerned about us. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, "just for the record" was all. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 02:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm going ahead for now. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Something's really uncooked here... this can't be the result of weeks of collaborating.. maybe people who've been working on this have spent to much time only focusing on it, because I don't think the outside editor is getting the full story. This is an absurd joke of a poll, and it seems to have been opened now only out of frustration. -- Ned Scott 02:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The poll was started on the basis of an hour's discussion among half a dozen people, and has begun two days before the agreed on time, 00:00 April 2. (The only item on which there was consensus) I began by supporting WP:ATT; I now have difficulty believing any of this has been done with civility or in good faith. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Supposedly, a pre-poll on the wording was still going on. While I have seen more hopeful strawpolls, Option 1, 4, and 6 looked promising, and Option 6 at least had no-one screaming in outrage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to get so worked up. Let people state their opinions unencumbered, as they are doing it now. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, come on gang! We are on the same team. It is life. It all evolves. Let us continue from where we are. What will people say?  :)) Who turned off the lights? --Rednblu 02:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Ned: You are reverting 20 editors. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

No, he's reverting you. Sorry, others can revert besides you and SV. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

If the results are inconclusive, we can always and based on the responses do some additional polling. Please do not make this into more of an issue. It is not such a big deal after all. We can always go back to pre ATT. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's do that. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

You can find out if you stop and let people make their opinions known without 'you' deleting their opinions!. In any caee, I am outta here. Your actions speak for themselves. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I would not have stopped it; but I did throw in one revert to support this protest. Please learn to discuss. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

How is this anything more than a turf war? Doesn't our task matter more than the turf? --Rednblu 03:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

We can restore their comments later, but we should halt the poll at this point. Why the hell were we taking our time with the poll and this discussion in the first place if only a hand full of editors just up and decide to throw that out the window? -- Ned Scott 03:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, when I saw that the poll had started, I felt angry and cheated. What a waste of time! We had at least seven better options. I was even tempted to revert to stop it. But I looked at myself and I said, you know, I have just had the turf pulled out from under me by a dirty trick. So, of course, I am furious. But the only thing I am furious about is turf. So isn't this just a turf war? --Rednblu 03:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not been involved in any of the planning until now, so.. no. I saw the poll page with fresh eyes and saw something half-cooked. -- Ned Scott 03:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. So what was "half-cooked"? --Rednblu 03:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Under-developed is the impression it gave me. The links and basic idea were there, but the right things didn't seem to jump out. Links meant to give a background on the issue were easy to miss, the "oppose" "support" wasn't clear to me, since a user's response might not be so black and white. The potential for groupthink seemed to be much higher than a normal poll. I can just see people supporting one option that doesn't actually conflict with another, but will seem to conflict to a 3rd party. It's hard for me to put it into words.. but I know we can do better than this. -- Ned Scott 03:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I can sympathize, yes.  :((( I wanted to try all seven options in a dry run with the twenty editors working on the options, but the dictators said no.  :((( --Rednblu 03:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

So what do we do? --Rednblu 03:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Could someone explain what is going on, please? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Some people started the poll. Then some other people decided they didn't want the pole to start and removed all the votes. Revert-warring and petty-bickering ensued, and here we are. Picaroon 03:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I was going to use the word "drama", myself. On the plus side, we have two hour's worth of polling that we can use to make the poll better, if need be. Nifboy 04:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The poll started after a discussion (see Wikipedia_talk:Attribution/Poll/Archive3). I am tired of all this bickering and disruption. I had more than enough. People have politicized and personalized this as if it is a thing of life and death. One week of useless cdiscussion, polls about polls about polls and other nonsense, trolling, and what not, is more than I can bear. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. : ( Armed Blowfish (talk|mail) 04:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Jossi has a point. This page, which I regret to say I created, has probably wasted two whole hours of my life. I could've written five or six missing Nigeria-geo-stubs in that time. Oh well, I'm out. Of the watchlist it goes. Picaroon 04:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's get it started again, then. We can't just stop it once people have started commenting. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

So the question is whether we will start the poll again without any actual measure of what consensus is or isn't? What will our definition of consensus be for the next two hours? --Rednblu 04:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

• It should be noted that Ned violated WP:3RR. Unless I am misreading the history page, I will issue a 24 hour block. This will also help Ned cool down, because he's been taking a lot of heat today. — Deckiller 04:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. - Denny 04:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think people should be blocked. Everyone's upset, so I think we should let it go, so long as it stops now. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

20 editors seemed happy to respond to the poll. Is their opinion about the poll's status not counting here? Could they not have objected if they wanted? But they did not. And two of the editors that stopped the poll had the chutzpah to speak of consensus... ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Can someone restart this, and please put up the proper watchlist notification that was agreed upon so that everyone knows the poll is going? But *BEFORE* that happens can someone please refactor the responses into the "Sections" format? Having an editing free for all in one section will have edit conflicts out the butt later. - Denny 04:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It has restarted, so let's just get on with it. Let people have their say. That's what this was all about in the first place — people having their say. I've added my comment/vote. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Que sera sera; I approve of restarting the poll. Nifboy 04:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wrong header, gang! We should take off the StopSign!!  :)) --Rednblu 04:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

This back and forth has to stop, please. People are being asked their opinion. Let them give it!! SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Given the recent reverting about whether or not the poll is open, I added {{Warning|<big>'''Whether or not this poll is open yet is disputed. If you vote, your vote might be archived.'''</big>}} to the top of the page. I think editors who are voting have a right to know that their vote might not count if the poll is cancelled. I do not mean to express an opinion about whether or not the poll is or should be open right now. However, I think people should know. I therefore request that the tag be restored until the issue is clearly resolved. — Armed Blowfish (talk|mail) 04:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and let's add a tag to that tag (to indicate that the tag itself is disputed).

Where does this madness end? Honest to God, I've never seen anything like this in my life (on Wikipedia or elsewhere). —David Levy 04:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)