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*'''Support''' "Burnings" is that sources use, and as VenusFeuerFalle pointed out "desecration" is less neutral by attributing sanctity to the item.[[User:Cortador|Cortador]] ([[User talk:Cortador|talk]]) 12:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' "Burnings" is that sources use, and as VenusFeuerFalle pointed out "desecration" is less neutral by attributing sanctity to the item.[[User:Cortador|Cortador]] ([[User talk:Cortador|talk]]) 12:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' used by most sources and most accurate. [[User:DenverCoder19|DenverCoder9]] ([[User talk:DenverCoder19|talk]]) 18:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) |
:'''Support''' used by most sources and most accurate. [[User:DenverCoder19|DenverCoder9]] ([[User talk:DenverCoder19|talk]]) 18:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' [[Quran burnings in Sweden]] per Super Dromaeosaurus, the burnings from 2020 to today are largely a connected phenomenon. --[[User:AlexandraAVX|AlexandraAVX]] ([[User talk:AlexandraAVX|talk]]) 08:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Title of this article
I'm unsure on the title of this article, as it makes it seem as if we are focusing on protests against this in Sweden itself, whereas this article is very much about the outcry within Muslim-majority countries. Not sure what a better title would be but started this discussion in case anyone shared my concern, and notified WP:SWEDEN and WP:ISLAM. GnocchiFan (talk) 17:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think "Quran desecrations in Sweden", makes sense. It follows naturally that you would also discuss responses/consequences even if it isn't explicitly stated in the title. Draken Bowser (talk) 17:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Good point. I think that would be a better title. GnocchiFan (talk) 18:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yep, major WP:CONCISION issues with the present title. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Since there's agreement that the title is inadequate, I've changed the title to 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden. No objections to this being moved to Quran desecrations in Sweden (as suggested) if we're including more information on previous incidents. GnocchiFan (talk) 15:46, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 25 July 2023
2023 Quran desecration in Sweden → 2023 Quran burnings in Sweden – Most of the sources use the term burning, so I think this is the appropriate title.
If editors disagree, this should be moved to 2023 Quran desecrations in Sweden as it refers to more than one event. GnocchiFan (talk) 11:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: DenverCoder19 has added some more information on related Quran burnings in Denmark, and has opened a discussion up on the article talk page on changing the name further. Personally. I think moving this to 2023 Quran burnings in Sweden and Denmark is preferable, but please see further down this talk page for further information. Thank you! – GnocchiFan (talk) 19:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think "burning" is more propriate, since "desecration" entails a value-judgement, which is more prone to be disputed than the fact, it has been burned. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 12:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support. The obvious NPOV and COMMONNAME title for this article. --Cerebral726 (talk) 18:08, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NPOV and WP:NATURALNESS. "Burning" is a more natural term to use and it's also the neutral descriptor. "Desecration" involves a value judgment. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. 〜 Festucalex • talk 05:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support Quran burnings in Sweden. This has been happening before 2023. Sweden's section at Quran desecration ([1]) starts in 2020. Quran books were burnt in the 2020 Sweden riots and the 2022 Sweden riots. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support "Burnings" is that sources use, and as VenusFeuerFalle pointed out "desecration" is less neutral by attributing sanctity to the item.Cortador (talk) 12:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support used by most sources and most accurate. DenverCoder9 (talk) 18:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support Quran burnings in Sweden per Super Dromaeosaurus, the burnings from 2020 to today are largely a connected phenomenon. --AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 31 July 2023: Swedish-Danish or Scandanavian
There is a clear pattern of protests where the koran is burned, in reaction to the first protest. These protests seem to happen in both Sweden and Denmark. Since there are part of the same "phenomenon", they should be part of the same article.
I've added notes about the follow-up protests for evidence. DenverCoder9 (talk) 18:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- @DenverCoder19: Thanks for the addition to the article – I was considering whether these are relevant, but the articles on the follow-up protests clearly mention the Quran burnings in Sweden.
- Obviously, the article title will need to be changed (as you know, there's already a move request re: desecration or burnings, so I'm a little wary of opening one now). 2023 Quran burnings in Sweden and Denmark would be my preference over 2023 Quran burnings in Scandinavia, as Sweden and Denmark are specifically mentioned. GnocchiFan (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed, and let's do the first move before the second: let's consider them as separate points. DenverCoder9 (talk) 21:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)