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Is anyone aware that Wanda's path in the season summary map is missing? UYScuti (talk) 06:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Resolved) UYScuti (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With the new information, I feel as though a Mindy article is very necessary. Seriously, $75 million in damage and 23 fatalities is a lot so a page is necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricane Su (talk • contribs) 01:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All of that was caused by Mindy's precursor tropical wave. Drdpw (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's enough content to make one probably, no? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 18:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We have enough info on Mindy so I think we can make one. Hurricane Su (talk) 00:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You do not need approval to develop a Draft:Tropical Storm Mindy (2021) article. However, as a stand-alone Mindy article would be very small, rather than proposing an article, perhaps you could expand the content in the section in the season article first, and then split if and when there ends up being too much information. Drdpw (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:2021 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 18:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "The season began on June 1, 2021, and ended on November 30, 2021. These dates historically describe the period in each year when most Atlantic tropical cyclones form.[2] However, subtropical or tropical cyclogenesis is possible at any time of the year, as demonstrated by Tropical Storm Ana's development on May 22, making 2021 the seventh consecutive year that a storm formed before the officially beginning of a season." - so did the season begin on 6/1, or on 5/22? A layman might not understand the nuance of the distinction here.

• Not sure if I agree. I mentioned the official season dates, clarified that this is when most TCs develop in the Atlantic, but didn't exclude the possibility of tropical cyclogenesis at any time and then cited Ana as an example. Plus I think that part after the final comma seems to imply 5/22 isn't the start date--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Subsequently, three named storms formed in June, tying the record for the most to develop in that month." - I'm not sure "subsequently" is the strongest way to start a new paragraph, and I think it can be removed.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Is it worth mentioning Grace's fatalities in the lead?

• Done--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "On August 22, Henri became the first tropical cyclone to strike Rhode Island since Bob in 1991 and brought flooding and high winds to the Northeastern United States, with damage estimated at $700 million." - I think the wording can be improved here. Also, didn't Elsa hit Rhode Island? That's what it says in "Seasonal summary".

• Oh, right. Oops :P --12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Hurricane Ida became the deadliest and most destructive tropical cyclone of the season by far after striking southeastern Louisiana at Category 4 strength, 16 years to the day after Hurricane Katrina decimated that same region. " - not a fan of "by far", and also, you never say when it was.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Is it worth mentioning Sam was the season's strongest?

• Done--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• " due to expectations of abnormally warm sea surface temperatures, the unlikelihood of an El Niño, and the possibility of a La Niña." - it would be nice to confirm in the lead whether these predictions held up. Were waters warm? Did La Nina happen? (yes and yes according to the summary)

• Done--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The second and third sentences of "Seasonal forecasts" have the verb "include". The second one would be nice to have some variety.

• Better?--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Is it worth linking footage of the saildrone inside Hurricane Sam in the See Also section?

• Added to External links--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Thereafter, activity came to a halt due to unfavorable conditions across the basin." - maybe specify like a "monthlong halt" or something, since it wasn't a permanent stoppage.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• " Larry initially formed on the last day of August " - why "initially"?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Sam peaked in strength on September 26 as a high-end Category 4 hurricane,[50] becoming only the second Category 4 or 5 hurricane on record so far east or south in the Atlantic so late in the year – aside from Lorenzo in 2019." - that's so many qualifiers that I'm not sure it's important. Maybe just the two sentences on Sam?

• I'm gonna agree--12george1 (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

& wasnt hurricane Ida tha STRONGEST STORM OF 2021? so it should say under 'STRONGEST STORM OF 2021' - Ida & NOT 'Sam'. Monkeylady999 (talk) 00:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's my review up to the named storms. Will finish later, but I don't suspect many issues in the NS section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The origins of Ana is a bit heavy on jargon. Can you go into more detail by explaining the meteorological processes a bit simpler?

• Better?--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Be sure to link meteorological terms on their first usage, while also explaining the content in a way that makes it approachable to laymen.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Ana effects in Bermuda? I believe there was a TS watch while it was a code red in the TWO.

• Correct--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Any Bill effects in Canada?

• I'm having trouble finding much of anything. If this forecast ended up being accurate, Newfoundland likely had 0.79 inches (20 mm) of rain at most, which I think may not even be worth mentioning--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• In the Claudette impact section, you talk about Mexico, then you have a long sentence talking about some more impacts, only at the end of the 3rd sentence you reveal that it was from LA to the FL panhandle. I suggest moving the location earlier.

• Better--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Is it worth mentioning the total fatalities from the Haiti earthquake right before Grace?

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Over 140,000 households across Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, and Rhode Island alone" - alone unneeded

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Larry made landfall in Newfoundland along Burin Peninsula" - missing "the"?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Based on a weather station at Matagorda Bay reporting sustained winds of 76 mph (122 km/h), Nicholas intensified into a hurricane around 00:00 UTC on September 14. Shortly thereafter, at 05:30 UTC, Nicholas made landfall near Sargent Beach, Texas, with maximum sustained winds of 75 mph (120 km/h). " - so I don't think you should indicate the exact sustained winds recorded by the weather station. The infobox rounds the peak to 75 mph, which was also the landfall intensity, but writing it this way implies that the winds decreased from 76 to 75 mph, which isn't exactly the case, just that wind speeds are rounded to the nearest 5 knots.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Two additional fatalities occurred in Florida when rip currents swept away two people at Panama City Beach. " - redundant "two"'

• Two less Florida men? :( --12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Why did Odette turn back to the southeast? That's not a normal motion.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• NCDC has floods and mudslides in Puerto Rico from Peter

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• You never mention Wanda's turn back to the south.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "However, there were no reports of damage or deaths associated with Wanda itself, after it transitioned into a subtropical storm." - do we need this disclaimer?

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All in all it's a pretty good article. Sorry for taking a while to finish the review. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've done everything. I'm also gonna go ahead and add the NCDC reports for Peter to the damage toll (it's only $12,000, but still). Thanks for the review!--12george1 (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Mindy

There has repeatedly been consensus that a page on Mindy should not be created: as recent as this April (#Mindy Page, /Archive 4#New article, /Archive 3#Mindy article). The damage wasn't especially severe and was all caused by the precursor wave. Same thing for the 23 deaths, and the other effects were extremely minor. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Merge, Support Rename to September 2021 Yucatán Peninsula floods I thick that currently create article is better. because they improved expands. also Consensus can change HurricaneEdgar 11:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge (or rename) Mindy was a short-lived TS whose impact was quite minor. The damage and loss of life in Mexico was caused by its precursor wave. This all can be adequately stated in the season article. Now, if a decent size article can be written about the impacts in Mexico, then perhaps a redirect from the title Tropical Storm Mindy (2021) to September 2021 Yucatán Peninsula flooding (similar to how Tropical Storm Wanda (2021) and October 2021 nor'easter are treated). Drdpw (talk) 15:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Merge – per nom. United States Man (talk) 19:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose merge, open to rename and change subject to September 2021 Central Mexico/Yucatán Peninsula floods. 23 deaths and US$75 million damage in Mexico is hardly insignificant, though I do agree US impacts were minor and are probably overelaborated as is. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 04:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would support renaming and refocusing the article as: September 2021 Central Mexico/Yucatán Peninsula floods (or something similar, as deemed apropos) and having Tropical Storm Mindy (2021) as a redirect to that page. Drdpw (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose merge as the main contributor and author of this article, it has more than enough impact to pass Wikipedia's policies on notability. In fact, if we went by the terms about notability on this discussion, Tropical storms Bertha and Beryl would not be noteworthy for articles. Mindy's article is still under construction, the United States section is also missing impact so there’s more coming.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• • Comment I am also open for a name change but I would keep that and Mindy separate articles since Mindy caused enough damage to have its open separate article. I would not advise the name presented before since most of the flooding impacted central Mexico so a name such as September 2021 central Mexico floods or early-September 2021 Mexico floods would be better, adding the fact there were two major floods in September 2021 that affected Mexico.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @IrishSurfer21: All tropical cyclones are notable, they get satellite reports and TCRs. Therefore, the question is not notability, the question is more WP:NOPAGE. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose merge because there appears to be enough content for a stand alone article on Mindy. Even a flood article I'm skeptical of as Mindy did other impacts as a TCC as the article itself covers, so covering the related floods in Mindy's article makes sense. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 19:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - I think every US landfalling TS has enough info to warrant an article, and the Mexican impact more than justifies keeping it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:21, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Also, it should have the year in the title. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: I agree, and would note that the page name did include '(2021)' until a June 15 page move. Can that be reversed? Drdpw (talk) 19:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink:  I agree with you also because there was a Mindy in 2003 and it is not like this storm will we memorable for it not to include the year, so the page should at least have '(2021)' in the title to disambiguate it from that storm, other than that I'm Netural on us keeping the article seprate or merging it with the 2021 Atlantic hurricane season article. Cyclonetracker7586 (talk) 12:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]