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:It seems that TWOs will begin May 15 even though the season starts on June 1. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 21:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC) |
:It seems that TWOs will begin May 15 even though the season starts on June 1. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 21:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::TWOs seem to have started (see NHC website). However, the season will not begin until June 1. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]] [[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]] ''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 12:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC) |
::TWOs seem to have started (see NHC website). However, the season will not begin until June 1. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]] [[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]] ''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 12:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC) |
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==Hurricane season early start again== |
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It seems like there are already two tropical systems that is likely to form into hurricanes marking an early start to the 2021 hurricane season. [[User:Williamwang363|Williamwang363]] ([[User talk:Williamwang363|talk]]) 01:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Before an edit war happens
Since this has been rather consistent in the past few years around this time (edit warring in regards to when this article should be created), please refer to this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Atlantic hurricane season as it has been discussed in regards to this 'issue'. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- For purposes of clarity, perhaps we should establish a standard practice at WPTC. TornadoLGS (talk) 05:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- The standard practice is to make the article either at the start of the cyclone year, or whenever there is the first bit of info unique to the season (generally the first forecast), whichever comes first. Also, unrelated, but potentially subject of a future edit war: this season might start on 5/15. We’ll find out in a few weeks if the season starts then, or just TWOs. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 18:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- The NWS sent out a message this morning saying TWOs will start on 5/15. Until they say otherwise for the starting date itself, that stays 6/1. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 18:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- In the same message, they said that the start date would still be 6/1. I think it is safe to say that for now at least, June 1st is the date that should be kept. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 04:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- It definitely starts at 6/1. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- The season is expected to start on 6/1 unless they decide at the RA IV meeting that it should start on 5/15 alongside the issuance of the TWOs. Gumballs678 talk 21:42, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- It definitely starts at 6/1. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- In the same message, they said that the start date would still be 6/1. I think it is safe to say that for now at least, June 1st is the date that should be kept. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 04:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- The NWS sent out a message this morning saying TWOs will start on 5/15. Until they say otherwise for the starting date itself, that stays 6/1. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 18:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- The standard practice is to make the article either at the start of the cyclone year, or whenever there is the first bit of info unique to the season (generally the first forecast), whichever comes first. Also, unrelated, but potentially subject of a future edit war: this season might start on 5/15. We’ll find out in a few weeks if the season starts then, or just TWOs. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 18:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Auxiliary List
Asking before I start a potential edit war: do we really need to include the auxiliary list here? I understand we should mention the difference in policy the NHC undertook this year, but I feel the new list doesn't need to be shown unless the season surpasses 21 storms, and that linking to the tropical cyclone naming page should suffice. JoeMT615 (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I dunno, 2020_Pacific_typhoon_season does mention the auxiliary list. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- WP:BOLD. Feel free to revert, and then we'll discuss it. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe not so much wait until we reach Wanda, but at least wait until we get close to the end of the list, like we did last year. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- WP:BOLD. Feel free to revert, and then we'll discuss it. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Per precedent we should be waiting. The aux list will always be available on the Tropical Cyclone Naming page. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that we wait. Like Darkside said, the aux list is visible and available on the tropical cyclone naming page. It's too premature to show the list now as the season has yet to begin or even have activity that would potentially allow the new list to be used. It should remain as it was prior to this discussion, in that we mention the procedure of the list being used in the event 2021 exhausts its regular 21 names. Gumballs678 talk 16:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
AccuWeather forecasts
There have been multiple reverts from people adding citations for AccuWeather's predictions, and the reverters claim that AccuWeather is an unreliable source. This is true, but would it not be ok to cite them in the context of showing their claims as opinion, and indicating it as such, i.e "AccuWeather made their forecast for activity on..." Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 15:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- If they aren't as reliable as other forecasts, wouldn't mentioning them anyway give WP:UNDUE weight to their viewpoint. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- That makes sense, thanks. Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 17:57, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok, the IP who keeps adding these AccuWeather appears to either work at AccuWeather or have some kind of connection there. All of their edits are on figures related to AccuWeather, and most of them are adding information that can be considered biased. Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 17:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I would suggest leaving a message on their talk page, too. They might not be reading edit summaries. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry I'm kind of late to the convo, but AccuWeather has warned me of a Category 4 hurricane in my area. In March. And I live in the suburbs of Chicago. They are rather unreliable and shouldn't be added. Thanks for asking! JayTee🐦 19:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- @JayTee32: I've seen those. Is that actually AccuWeather or some clickbait scam site pretending to be AccuWeather? TornadoLGS (talk) 19:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have seen those as well, they just appear to be an attention-grab, meant for the viewer to actually somehow believe that there is a storm, and as such download the app to get more information (I think?) Most of them are sites that impersonations Accuweather, though I have seen a few Accuweather ads. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 20:49, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- It may have been some clickbait, as I never follow those links, but still, a website that makes ads by pasting an IR image of Hurricane Dorian over the Midwest doesn't strike me as trustworthy, even if this is only as attention-grabbers. JayTee🐦 14:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Definitely right about that. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 20:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- It may have been some clickbait, as I never follow those links, but still, a website that makes ads by pasting an IR image of Hurricane Dorian over the Midwest doesn't strike me as trustworthy, even if this is only as attention-grabbers. JayTee🐦 14:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have seen those as well, they just appear to be an attention-grab, meant for the viewer to actually somehow believe that there is a storm, and as such download the app to get more information (I think?) Most of them are sites that impersonations Accuweather, though I have seen a few Accuweather ads. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 20:49, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- @JayTee32: I've seen those. Is that actually AccuWeather or some clickbait scam site pretending to be AccuWeather? TornadoLGS (talk) 19:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry I'm kind of late to the convo, but AccuWeather has warned me of a Category 4 hurricane in my area. In March. And I live in the suburbs of Chicago. They are rather unreliable and shouldn't be added. Thanks for asking! JayTee🐦 19:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
NHC? May 15 or June 1?
NHC updated their last TWO to say May 15, but It has been edited back to June 1? SputtyTheSputnik (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- It seems that TWOs will begin May 15 even though the season starts on June 1. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- TWOs seem to have started (see NHC website). However, the season will not begin until June 1. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC)