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The result was userfy. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable (fails WP:ORG). Run-of-the-mill U.S. shopping center (of the ca. 2012 variety), consisting of a supermarket and a discount retailer and a few other stores. Sources are the shopping center website and some local press-release-type coverage; these are not indications of notability. Orlady (talk) 14:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I added some references. This is not a routine shopping mall, but rather a mixed-use development of the New Urbanism school. It even includes a school. The newspaper references are bylined news stories, not press releases. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: "New urbanism", eh? Sure did fool me! I've never actually been in the new Publix-Target development, but I pass it on the highway about once a week on average. When it was under construction, I was aware of the large amount of land that had been stripped of vegetation and bulldozed. Now that it's built, I can see the stores and their huge signs on the hillside from at least a mile away. If this is new urbanism, it's been deftly disguised as a standard Interstate-exit commercial development. (There is a residential subdivision in the general vicinity that fits the "new urbanism" mantra, with newly built houses designed to look like houses from the 1890s-1930s, sidewalks, etc., but that subdivision is not the subject of this article.) --Orlady (talk) 02:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I do appreciate Eastmain's effort to flesh out the article with decent sources, but (based on my personal knowledge of this place) I'm skeptical. That 2004 "new urbanism" article is about the residential subdivision I described. It shares the "Northshore Town Center" name with the new shopping center, but it's not at all clear that these places are truly connected. As for the school, it's also not clear how connected it is. Until a couple of months ago, when it was named "Northshore Elementary[1], it was the county's "new Southwest Elementary School"[2]. Several sites were considered, and this one was chosen after the developers donated much of the land for the school[3] (a gesture that should help sell residential lots). It's not exactly a new-urbanism-neighborhood school. It will serve a large chunk of the county, and almost all of the kids (967 kids in grades K-5) will arrive by bus. In its present form, this is an article about two new stores, plus some statements about houses and a school in the general area. --Orlady (talk) 03:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Non notable shopping center and development. Dough4872 01:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I think it should stay, People need to know about the Development. --Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 05:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "People need to know" is not what Wikipedia is for. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Userfy Keep - Somewhat notable given references on concept and design. Jason from nyc (talk) 20:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • On second thought WP:CRYSTALBALL is a good objection (see below). Perhaps the article is premature given the state of development. It might merit mention in the article on New urbanism; Jason from nyc (talk) 17:39, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to sandbox - WP:CRYSTALBALL. If it develops as planned, it might be article-worthy in the future. As of now, it's two large stores, a couple of novelty shops, and some condos, and doesn't exactly stand out amidst the five dozen other shopping centers in the area. Bms4880 (talk) 14:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Userfy - move article to author sandbox, wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 20:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Userfication would work for me. I don't have any desire to destroy Jesus Lover0000's work; I just don't perceive this center as a notable topic. And it is possible that this will develop into the kind of new urban center that its developers have claimed it to be. (And I hasten to add that this is just one of several developments in this region that have pretensions to New Urbanism, but have yet to deliver...) --Orlady (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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