Talk:Persecution of Uyghurs in China

Former good article nomineePersecution of Uyghurs in China was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
February 1, 2020Articles for deletionKept
February 11, 2021Good article nomineeNot listed
In the newsA news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on September 2, 2022.
Current status: Former good article nominee

Heritage Foundation Source

I think the two passages sourced to the Heritage Foundation[1] should be removed—The Heritage foundation have been found generally unreliable by the community, and we have better sources addressing the same abuses in the article. Ascelyn (talk) 15:45, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's attributed opinion, so reliability is not an issue. The only reason for exclusion would therefore be weight. TFD (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article passages are:

The American far-right Heritage Foundation claimed that "children whose parents are detained in the camps are often sent to state-run orphanages and brainwashed to forget their ethnic roots. Even if their parents are not detained, Uyghur children need to move to inner China and immerse themselves into the Han culture under the Chinese government's 'Xinjiang classrooms' policy."

The Heritage Foundation reported in 2019 that officials forced Uyghur women to take unknown drugs and liquids that caused them to lose consciousness, and sometimes caused them to stop menstruating

It's not being used for opinion, it is being used for (attributed) claims. I think an attributed position might be due—something like "The Heritage Foundation has characterized the abuses as a genocide" in Persecution of Uyghurs in China#Classification of abuses#Ethnocide or cultural genocide but right now we are relying on this source for details about the abuses for which I do not think it is reliable. Attribution is not a carte blanche for inclusion on information from unreliable sources. Ascelyn (talk) 15:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is their opinion about what the facts are. If you read "The American far-right Heritage Foundation claimed that", do you think what follows is (A) a fact or (B) how a far right group concludes is a fact?
To use a more egregious example: "Flat-earthers claim the world is flat." Reasonable readers would not interpret that to mean the world is flat. TFD (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree this a due weight question not a reliability question. Is there secondary coverage showing us their position on this question is noteworthy? Doesn't seem that important to me. If we include with attribution, I think "far right" is overegging the cake; our article on them just says "right-wing" which is enough. BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ascelyn, I agree with TFD and BobFromBrockley that this is an attributed opinion, so the reliability of the source isn't an issue. Our article isn't saying this claim is correct. Regarding Bob's comment, I don't know if third party commentary or coverage demonstrates that this comment is important enough for inclusion. I don't think that bar is always needed for inclusion but it's a reasonable question to ask. -Darouet (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is a reliability question. This is now a deprecated source. Deprecated sources are "highly questionable sources that editors are discouraged from citing in articles, because they fail the reliable sources guideline in nearly all circumstances." Its website has also been added to the Wikipedia spam blacklist. We simply cannot cite this source. JArthur1984 (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RSOPINION says, "Some sources may be considered reliable for statements as to their author's opinion, but not for statements asserted as fact." TFD (talk) 00:26, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Enos, Olivia; Kim, Yujin (29 August 2019). "China's Forced Sterilization of Uighur Women Is Cultural Genocide". The Heritage Foundation. Archived from the original on 2 December 2019. Retrieved 2 December 2019.

RfCs on Wikivoice-for-the-lead in Logs and discussions

I've found two RfCs for the first sentence of the lead, more or less revolving around the statement of "genocide" in Wikivoice: 30 April–July 2021 and Jan–March 2022. Were there more earlier (or later)?

I propose adding these to the Logs and discussions yellow box at the top. This doesn't make sense in the {{old moves}} template. There doesn't seem to be an {{old RfCs}} template, so these RfCs probably have to be added "by hand". Boud (talk) 23:11, 30 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]