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Maurice Mobetie

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The links masquerading as sources contain only fleeting mentions of the subject and with exception of the Hamburger Abendblatt, a local gossip newspaper, are all promotional claims in this article which is little more than a potted CV. BEFORE reveals absolutely nothing else but the standard raft of Instagram and other social media. The article has the hallmarks of a commissioned work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:28, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paakashala

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The article feels overly promotional, likely written by an undisclosed paid editor. While it is supposed to be about Adiga's second restaurant chain, most of the focus is on the founder and his first chain, which is named after him. Since the sources mainly discuss the founder, he seems more notable, and an article should be created about him instead of this chain. Chanel Dsouza (talk) 13:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cornitos

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The article comes across as highly promotional, with marketing blurbs, and seems to have been created by an undisclosed COI editor. It mainly uses interviews, press releases, and some questionable sources. The coverage from credible sources lacks depth and doesn't show enough to establish notability under NCORP. Chanel Dsouza (talk) 13:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern regarding the proposed deletion of the Cornitos Wikipedia page. To contest this nomination effectively, it's essential to demonstrate that Cornitos meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. This involves providing evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Here are key points and references that highlight Cornitos' notability:
  1. Established Brand with Significant Market Presence: Founded in 2009 under Greendot Health Foods Pvt. Ltd., Cornitos has become a prominent player in the Indian snack industry, known for its nacho crisps and a diverse range of snack products. cornitos.in
  2. Recognition and Awards:
  3. Product Innovation and Expansion:
  4. Media Coverage and Industry Participation:
Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 14:37, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
on top of this, this Article went for 4 month for review and verification and during that time lots of amendments was done by trusted authorized users. So now unable to understand why this is nominated for the deletion. Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 14:48, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why do all of the URLs mention ChatGPT? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 16:27, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Spiderone no this is not chatgpt. Here is the detail of the link:
https://www.apnnews.com/impressico-achieves-top-cmmi-level-5-certification-leading-the-way-in-digital-transformation-efficiency/
https://businessnewsthisweek.com/business/impressico-achieves-top-cmmi-level-5-certification-leading-the-way-in-digital-transformation-efficiency/
https://mediabulletins.com/business/impressico-earns-prestigious-cmmi-level-5-certification-setting-a-new-standard-in-digital-transformation/
https://biznewsdesk.com/business/leading-in-efficiency-impressico-achieves-top-cmmi-level-5-certification/
https://contentmediasolution.com/business/impressico-reaches-cmmi-level-5-pioneering-excellence-in-digital-transformation/
https://onlinemediacafe.com/business/cmmi-level-5-milestone-impressico-strengthens-its-leadership-in-digital-transformation/
https://smartbusinesnews.com/business/impressico-achieves-cmmi-level-5-raising-the-bar-for-digital-transformation-success/
and lot of more other. This is completely anonymous. Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And most importantly, the relevance of the link in question—are these links not relevant?
My concern is that Wikipedia now follows a review system where an article remains under patrol for three months.
This article has been well-revised, and I am confident that its content is not something hastily generated by AI in minutes. It represents a well-established and trusted brand.
Ideally, if there were any issues, they should have been flagged during the patrolling period. I can see that numerous amendments have been made to enhance its relevance, and after thorough review and approval, the article was published. Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 17:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
here more link for your review which we identified by me while coming across the brand:
2.      https://startuptalky.com/cornitos-success-story/
3.      https://www.cnbctv18.com/retail/cornitos-launches-line-of-economical-products-aims-to-cross-rs-100-crore-in-revenue-by-fy22-end-10000831.htm
4.      https://www.thehansindia.com/business/cornitos-winning-with-flavours-656707
5.      https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/corporate/story/cornitos-bets-big-on-its-healthy-ingredients-flavours-45697-2014-06-03
6.      https://indifoodbev.com/design-marketing/cornitos-snacking-with-a-mexican-twist/
7.      https://brandequity.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/advertising/cornitos-rolls-out-corny-the-chimp-as-its-brand-mascot-in-new-ad/101636437
8.      https://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/9XZyhpKMjUdWQTlAiCupsJ/A-bit-of-Mexican-crunch-on-your-plate.html  
9.      https://menafn.com/1098113761/Cornitos-celebrates-its-magnificent-10-years-journey-and-dedicates-the-success-to-its-customers
10.  https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/startups/when-a-startup-took-on-snack-giants-with-a-taste-of-mexico/articleshow/53407363.cms
11.  https://www.afaqs.com/news/mktg/nachos-segment-grew-as-city-workforce-ferried-consumption-habits-to-native-towns-jagjot-singh-maan-cornitos
12.  https://sundayguardianlive.com/business/cornitos-caters-newer-healthier-india
13.  https://smefutures.com/young-consumers-are-keen-on-knowing-every-aspect-of-the-products-that-they-buy-vikram-agarwal-md-cornitos/
14.  https://www.businessinsider.in/this-indianstart-up-of-gourmet-nachos-is-changing-the-way-we-eat-snacks/articleshow/55974088.cms
15.  https://hospibuz.com/cornitos-brings-flavourful-snacks-to-more-cities-across-india-with-affordable-range/
16.  http://www.cornitos.in/about/awards  
17.  https://www.antia-awards.org/prestige-2022/en/cornitos-nacho-crisps-cornitos-nacho-crisps-melange
18.  http://businessnewsthisweek.com/business/cornitos-shines-at-uk-free-from-food-award-2021-an-international-accolade-for-its-exotics-nachos-range/
19.  https://hospibuz.com/flavourful-cornitos-snacks-to-add-joy-to-your-mothers-day-celebrations/
20.  https://www.apnnews.com/celebrating-the-crunch-on-international-day-of-nachos/
21.  https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/cornitos-launches-ipl-campaign-with-delhi-capitals-11619934770547.html
22.  https://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-network/cornitos-to-showcase-products-at-gulfood-2023
23.  https://www.foodtechbiz.com/events/cornitos-exhibited-healthy-crunchy-and-flavourful-products-at-aahar-2023
24.  http://www.fnbnews.com/Interview/co-plans-fortified-products-aimed-at-highend-market-72269
25.  https://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/food/2021/jun/20/father-son-duomunch-their-way-to-success-in-snacks-market-2318730.html
26.  https://www.newindianexpress.com/business/2019/may/13/cornitos-maker-eyes-rs-100-cr-turnover-to-set-up-new-plant-1976249.html
27.  https://www.livemint.com/Companies/VcRXTfMdEaTn5EG66uaG3I/Cornitos-bets-big-on-nachos-plans-to-double-revenue-in-two.html
28.  http://www.flavourstosavour.com/product-reviews/cornitos-nacho-crisps-review-are-these-nacho-chips-actually-tasty
29.  https://foodnetindia.in/cornitos-nacho-chips-tikka-masala/
30.  https://www.fatsecret.co.in/calories-nutrition/cornitos/nacho-crisps/1-pack
31.  https://businessmicro.in/business/cornitos-unveils-exciting-consumer-connect-offer-unwrap-delicious-rewards/
32.  https://onlinenews9.in/business/cornitos-unveils-exciting-consumer-connect-offer-unwrap-delicious-rewards/
33.  https://mediaexpress24.com/business/cornitos-unveils-exciting-consumer-connect-offer-unwrap-delicious-rewards/
34.  https://menafn.com/1108206217/Cornitos-Unveils-Exciting-Consumer-Connect-Offer-Unwrap-Delicious-Rewards
35.  https://www.adgully.com/cornitos-journey-towards-sustainable-deliciousness-144764.html
36.  https://www.adgully.com/vikram-agarwal-on-embracing-the-wild-side-with-cornitos-uncooperative-mascot-145737.html
37.  https://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/food/2021/Jun/20/father-son-duomunch-their-way-to-success-in-snacks-market-2318730.html
38.  https://www.business-standard.com/article/management/gourmet-food-has-moved-into-the-snack-food-space-vikram-agarwal-116102601585_1.html
and several other are there Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 17:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. Some of the articles do appear to contribute to GNG (like this one in New Indian Express), but I would caution @Atulkumar.1990 against link bombing a bunch of press releases that are either irrelevant, interviews, about an individual (remember, notability isn't inherited), or purely promotional. The blatant use of ChatGPT to build out a notability argument, and when caught denying it even though the links appended ChatGPT as a source, also is quite questionable. An editor that's apparently been here for more than a decade and who has received a number of warnings about this sort of thing should know better. nf utvol (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear @Nfutvol,
    I appreciate your review and the detailed feedback regarding the notability of the Cornitos page. I would like to address some key points:
    • Selection of Sources: The links I have shared were carefully chosen, avoiding press releases or purely promotional content. While I understand that some sources may not be highly authoritative, they still contribute relevant industry insights and company history.
    • Use of ChatGPT: The notability argument is based on independent sources, not AI-generated content. The references cited in the article are from established publications, and no AI-generated material has been used to justify notability. If there are concerns regarding specific citations, I am open to discussing and refining them further.
    • Notability Consideration: Some sources, such as Business Today, CNBC TV18, and The New Indian Express, are well-regarded and offer independent coverage of Cornitos' market position and growth. If any source is deemed insufficient, I am happy to refine the citations further.
    Regarding your mention of past warnings, I believe our primary focus should be evaluating the current content rather than unrelated editorial history. If there are specific concerns about the article itself, I am open to constructive suggestions for improvement.
    If the consensus is that these sources do not meet Wikipedia’s guidelines, I am willing to align with the community decision. However, if the article meets the required notability criteria, I kindly request a fair review based on factual content rather than external assumptions. Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 06:12, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you not read anything of what I wrote? I already said I think this should be a weak keep, but you're spamming every reply with some junk pushed out by ChatGPT. I think you'd benefit greatly if you were to review WP:COMPETENCE, WP:LLM, and WP:RS before you continue editing Wikipedia or participating in these discussions.
    I have to hand it to you though, using LLMs to write a response to a comment advising you to avoid using them is a bold move. nf utvol (talk) 13:19, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I doubt they even read the replies. It's a red-linked user. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very persuasive, all of the above, but not in the way hoped. I followed some of the last massive load of linkspam, and it was deserving of that appellation, the purported sources turning out to be press releases, CEO quotes, and outright advertisements. Yes, the ones that address us in the second person in their titles are what one might expect them to be. I've just read things outright instructing me to buy this product. Proffered as sources. There is not a single independent reliable source in a sampling of just over a quarter of the above list. And it's quite obvious that this is just a dump, as there are several duplicates. This is not an attempt to write with proper sourcing, and the way that the article creator's voice alternates with each successive edit in this discussion makes it obvious that we should be avoiding wasting our time on machine-generated rationales. Delete. Uncle G (talk) 20:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Uncle G,
    I appreciate your detailed review and would like to address your concerns point by point:
    • Regarding Link Spam: I understand the concern about excessive or irrelevant links. However, the references I provided were not intended to generate backlinks but rather to support the discussion after the issue was raised. These were shared in response to queries about the article’s notability, not as an attempt to manipulate Wikipedia’s content policies.
    • Evaluation Parameters: There seem to be two simultaneous arguments—one suggesting that I have been paid to develop the content and another that I am using AI-generated sources to justify it. If the content were paid for, then it would logically follow that I would have direct access to first-hand information from the brand itself rather than needing to rely on AI for sourcing. These two points contradict each other, making it difficult to understand the exact nature of the concern.
    • Press Releases as Sources: You have rightly pointed out that press releases are not considered reliable sources. I completely agree. However, I would like to clarify whether this concern is based on an actual review of the Wikipedia article itself or a general assumption. If any press release has indeed been cited as a source in the article, I am more than willing to remove the content myself—no deletion nomination required. Just point out the link, and I will take immediate action.
    • Focus on Content Evaluation: If the issue at hand is the reliability of sources, then the discussion should be centered around the actual content of the Wikipedia page rather than general concerns raised elsewhere. Dismissing the entire page without specifically reviewing its citations may not be the most constructive approach.
    • Use of Authoritative Sources: I would also like to ask—are the sources currently cited in the article, such as Business Today, The New Indian Express, Financial Express, CNBC TV18, Business Insider, and The Economic Times, not considered reputable? If there are concerns about any specific citation, I am happy to refine or replace it with more authoritative references.
    My intent here is to ensure that the article meets Wikipedia’s content and notability standards. If there are genuine issues with the sources or content, I am open to making improvements. I appreciate your insights and look forward to a constructive discussion. Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 06:24, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak keep: Seems to be a major brand, [1] and [2] cover the company. Could perhaps merge to Green Dot Foods, that own the company. Oaktree b (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear @Oaktree b,
    I appreciate your balanced perspective on this discussion. I’d like to address a few key points:
    • Recognition as a Major Brand: Thank you for acknowledging that Cornitos appears to be a notable brand. The company has received independent media coverage, which supports its notability under Wikipedia’s guidelines.
    • Cited Sources: The references you mentioned ([1] and [2]) contribute to the company's credibility. Additionally, sources such as Business Today, The New Indian Express, Financial Express, CNBC TV18, and The Economic Times further reinforce its industry presence.
    • Merger Suggestion with Green Dot Foods: While Green Dot Foods owns Cornitos, the latter operates as a distinct brand with a strong market presence. If a merger is considered, it’s essential to evaluate whether Cornitos has standalone notability, given its extensive media coverage and brand recognition.
    I am open to a constructive discussion on how best to refine the article while ensuring it meets Wikipedia’s content and sourcing standards. Atulkumar.1990 (talk) 06:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I've already said it was fine, you don't need to keep spamming the replies. Honestly, your reply leaves me wondering if this is promotional at this point and if I should reconsider my !vote. Oaktree b (talk) 14:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Josep Roca i Fontané

Josep Roca i Fontané (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BEFORE shows some mentions in online news, but only incidental coverage, and not enough to demonstrate notability under WP:GNG. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 22:38, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toad Sweat

Toad Sweat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Individual item appears to lack notability, the article subject and author have a self declared COI and the article would require significant reworking to remove the peacock nature and significant souring requirements to bring in to line with the expected standard if is does meet notability Amortias (T)(C) 22:35, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pekara Maja

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CSD13 was declined by an admin. This article serves only to promote a business and is supported by only two sources, one a company listing, another is a tourism blog in Bosnian listing various places of interest in the region. Fails under WP:NOTYELLOW and GNG Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Shepherds Rest

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A local pub, part of the large Greene King chain, that is relatively young (opened in 2000) and doesn't meet WP:NCORP. There are routine listings and pub reviews, but insufficient to establish notability. PROD contested with justification given (see Talk:The Shepherds Rest#Proposed Deletion Objection). Klbrain (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yorkshire Grey, Fitzrovia

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This article doesn't seem to meet GNG. I could not find any reliable 3rd party sources discussing the subject except for a brief mention about how JB Priestley used to visit it. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 12:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Yorkshire Grey and allow for anyone willing to carry out a selective merge. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mint chocolate

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WP:BEFORE in my assortment of chocolate books turned up nothing or mere mentions. No sigcov in Scholar, neither apparently in Books, TWL, JSTOR, Google, NYT archives. Lot of mentions of Mint chocolate chip, although it isn't an appropriate merge or redirect target. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to Types of chocolate. Problem solved. BD2412 T 03:56, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a flavoring, like strawberry, coffee, or caramel. The scope of Types of chocolate is different, predominantly around production techniques. That being said, the scope could be redefined. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 04:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unsure but lean towards weak delete. The flavour is clearly ubiquitous in many cultures and geographies, so it seems hard to believe that someone hasn't written a history of the social importance of it. But I'm not seeing anything. On the other hand there are a lot of these kinds of pages, for example Mint chocolate chip, which are apparently also weakly referenced. So I'm not sure. JMWt (talk) 07:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm also unsure, but rather than merging to types of chocolate (which is currently very much types rather than flavours, another possible target would be Mint (candy), though again it enlarges the scope of the article, which currently only deals with little white sweets/candies, not big brown bars and mint-thins etc. Elemimele (talk) 12:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is not an easy one to search for - so many ads come up! I have searched for both "Mint chocolate" and "Chocolate Mint", and found a variety of sources and information. Whether it will add up to WP:SIGCOV I am not yet sure. The Tokyo Weekender has an article about how "chocmint" became popular in Japan [6]. (There seems to be a graphic novel series published in Japan called Mint Chocolate, too [7]) A choc-mint drink became a political symbol in Thailand [8] (but is this article just about individual or block mint-flavoured chocolate, or chocolate-coated mint, or does it extend to chocmint as a flavour?). Mashed has an article "Here's Where The Concept Of Mint Chocolate Came From" [9]. One well-known product missing from this WP article is the Girl Scout Cookies#Varieties Thin Mints - I found histories of them here [10] and here [11] (p 110). Chocolate mints on or under the pillow at hotels is described here [12] (not reliable, but gives info that could be searchable). Mathematician Jean Dieudonné promised a chocolate mint to whoever could explain why the social background in which Carl Friedrich Gauss lived led him to 17-sided regular polygons. [13]. Half of boxed chocolate mint sales are in the last 12 weeks of the year. [14] (and that source, Industrial Chocolate Manufacture and Use, has more info about mint chocolate that I can't see. The National Druggist had a recipe for "cocoa-mint" soda drink in 1897 [15] and Henley's Twentieth Century Book of Recipes, Formulas and Processes (1909) [16] also has one. Built on Chocolate: The Story of the Hershey Chocolate Company [17] has 6 results for "mint chocolate", which I can't see all of, but can see that there's info about Hershey's mint chocolate introduced in 1959 and discontinued in 1969 (which doesn't seem to be in the Hershey article, nor this article). I'll try to find other sources. (Btw, I do appreciate the nom's reference to "my assortment of chocolate books"! ) RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! RebeccaGreen thankyou for all this! Yes, searching around food articles can really be hard to find independent sourcing. To my eyes, most of these sources are not about and do not establish notability for mint chocolate, but rather the flavor combination of chocolate and mint, which seems to be a missing broad-concept article.
Such an article would raise the question of the creation of articles for chocolate pairings of chocolate and vanilla [18], chocolate and chili [19], chocolate and caramel, chocolate and almonds [20]... Perhaps a list article would best serve the presentation of such information, although I won't pretend I know if it would meet WP:NLIST. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 00:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really understand the difference between "mint chocolate" and "chocolate and mint" other than perhaps the latter would include "mint chocolate chip" even though it is a flavour of ice-cream. To me, "mint chocolate chip" is a use of mint chocolate, so I don't really see why it is a separate page anyway.
As far as I can see there is at least potential for an interesting and informative page on the history of this flavour. The problem isn't with the concept but the lack of reliable sources we can use. JMWt (talk) 07:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as we have a variety of opinions here and no consensus. Could some enterprising editor pull out the THREE best sources? I also recall during a blitz of similar AFDs 2 or 3 years ago, we had some AFD regulars and editors like User:Valereee who were well-educated in food and cookbook articles and sourcse. I just wish I could recall their usernames.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am also a fan of mint chocolate, but would favour merging/redirect to Chocolate as it stands. I could maybe see an article being developed here, perhaps in the form of a broader concept article on flavouring chocolate. Until someone actually writes that, however, I don't see the depth of sourcing that really demonstrates this as an inherently notable stand-alone article. I looked at a number (perhaps ~15) of books on chocolate, including The Economics of Chocolate, Chocolate: History, Culture, and Heritage, Chocolate science and technology, Chocolate and Health, The Science of Chocolate and hardly any of them even includes the word 'mint'. That's suggestive to me that maybe we'd struggle to develop a full article here. The bits and pieces linked above, while fascinating, strike me as exactly that: bits and pieces. Hard to build an article out of. Eddie891 Talk Work 17:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect or merge. None of these sources seems to be saying this is its own subject. There are mint chocolate everythings -- cookies, ice cream, frosting, vape -- but that doesn't make mint chocolate itself a topic people discuss. The fact there are a gazillion google hits on "mint chocolate" doesn't mean those sources are discussing the flavor. It means the flavor is popular, and people are talking about mint chocolate chip ice cream etc. Valereee (talk) 18:00, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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