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The result was no consensus. Consensus is in favor of giving the article more time with the sources present. I suggest one of the keep !voters take this opportunity to improve the article. v/r - TP 22:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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None notable. Known only for one event where they were raided for evidence against a graffiti artist. Ridernyc (talk) 12:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Videograf productions has been featured on national news programs like the now defunct news program "Fox News" Carl Weston was interview about his graffiti video series by Ronald Reagan jr. Half of the 10 minute segment was about the videograf video series. Videograf and Carl Weston was also featured on local new york city new program WWOR-TV news around 1993, the subject was also about his him filming graffiti. Carl Weston while out videotaping for videograf productions was arrested in 1994 for video tapping graffiti writers in queens new york city. this arrest was the lead story on every news program in new york and was featured in new york daily news, new york post, newsweek and many more. Videograf has contributed video footage to shows like 20/20 and yo mtv raps.

  None notable. Known only for one event where they were raided for evidence against a graffiti artist. ? This is untrue. Videograf Productions was the first continuing graffiti video series that tried to cover the united states graffiti scene. Videograf was the first urban street video to document what many consider a crime. Videograf productions has spawned a hole graffiti dvd industry.

  unfortunately I can't find online the first part of this report. Videograf productions was featured in part one this news report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1KPg1Xne_A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gfacekilla1966 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • What issues of Newsweek and the New York Post was this 1994 coverage in? Uncle G (talk) 15:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have exact date's but it was around the summer 1994, with the exception of the New York Times every New York City news paper covered this event mostly front page and page two and three type coverage. Unfortunately I don't believe the any of these papers has archives online but I may be wrong.

There is a reason the New York Times has repeatedly called on Carl Weston and Videograf Productions to comment on thing related to graffiti.

Also, the year 2000 arrest was about rights of a free press the aclu's Norman Segel took the case.

Videograf Productions also represented the first time that graffiti/ hip hop culture was documented by people from within the culture as opposed to outsiders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.97.224 (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• NOTE expect a ton of Meatpuppets on this one. Ridernyc (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• DELETE I have done searches on the NY Post, Newsweek, and Lexis Nexus' academic archives. I did find a 2000 article in the NY Post, but it was just a quote. To pass WP:CORP they would need to be the subject of the article. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 07:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP I have done searches and have found that videograf productions has been interview for several books and magazines. Below are some links--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Taking the Train: How Graffiti Art Became an Urban Crisis in New York City - By Joe Austin. published by Columbia University Press--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?id=YfqP-qQFMDYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Taking+the+Train:+How+Graffiti+Art+Became+an+Urban+Crisis+in+New+York+City&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hnWxT-31OqTL2QX_iYnqCA&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Taking%20the%20Train%3A%20How%20Graffiti%20Art%20Became%20an%20Urban%20Crisis%20in%20New%20York%20City&f=false-

• Graffiti New York - By Eric Felisbret, Luke Felisbret, James Prigoff (published by Abrams, 2009)--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?id=APo3AQAAIAAJ&q=Graffiti+New+York&dq=Graffiti+New+York&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U3WxT8bULqKa2gXv-rnpCA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA

• Aerosol kingdom: subway painters of New York City - By Ivor Miller (published by University Press of Mississippi 2002)--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xx7aAAAAMAAJ&q=carl+weston+graffiti&dq=carl+weston+graffiti&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XHGxT5HDO4PW2gXg8ajpCA&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBA

• Connected Engagements With Media - By George E. Marcus Published By University of Chicago Press--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?ei=13qyT56JNdSdgQfm4dmbCQ&id=KDKPNC39fXQC&dq=rewriting+new+york+city+by+Joe+Austin&q=videograf#v=snippet&q=videograf&f=false

• Elliott Wilson (March 1995) Vibe Magazine --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?id=SSwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA32&dq=carl+weston&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s0uxT8jkLcSz6gH47eTZBw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=carl%20weston&f=false "The Great Graffiti Bust"] Page 32

• as far as I can tell only one mentions this company and that is a brief one sentence name drop. Ridernyc (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• in this book * Graffiti New York - By Eric Felisbret, Luke Felisbret, James Prigoff (published by Abrams, 2009) there is a full on interview on videograf and it impact on graffiti culture.--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• There is also the Vibe magazine article from 1995 about the first time videograf productions had trouble with producing there videos.
• Elliott Wilson (March 1995) Vibe Magazine

http://books.google.com/books?id=SSwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA32&dq=carl+weston&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s0uxT8jkLcSz6gH47eTZBw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=carl%20weston&f=false "The Great Graffiti Bust" Page 32--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The new york times article written by Colin Moyhihan is about a different search warrant executed on on May 26 2000, videograf productions. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/11/nyregion/neighborhood-report-ridgewood-police-graffiti-war-seize-artist-s-videotapes.html%20 "Neighbor Report: Ridgewood;Police In Graffiti War, Seize An Artist's Videotapes--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I believe I've posted 6 solid source's of info, on videograf productions. --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

you can contacted the author of "Graffiti New York" to verify that this is a full interview about the cultural significance of Videograf Productions. The email address of Eric Felisbret is (at149st(AT)gmail.com)--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Argument for not deleting

1.(2009) Graffiti New York - By Eric Felisbret, Luke Felisbret, James Prigoff (published by Abrams, 2009) A Full Interview About Videograf Productions.--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2.(1995) Vibe Magazine Called "Great Graffiti Bust" (March 1995) By Elliott Wilson http://books.google.com/books?id=SSwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA32&dq=carl+weston&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s0uxT8jkLcSz6gH47eTZBw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=carl%20weston&f=true --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

3.(2000) The New York Times article written by Colin Moyhihan Called "Police In Graffiti War, Seize An Artist's Videotapes"--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/11/nyregion/neighborhood-report-ridgewood-police-graffiti-war-seize-artist-s-videotapes.html%20

4.(2006) Graffiti Cinema Turns Moody" there are 4 paragraphs dedicated to videograf in this article.--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Quotes 'Videograf has nevertheless become a stylistic benchmark for a number of documentaries and features, including Quality of Life and other magazine-style DVD's like the hugely popular State Your Name.'--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9401EED71330F936A25753C1A9609C8B63&pagewanted=all

5. (1991) Paper Magazine has a very well written (Full Page Interview) piece by Vikki Tobak it's called "Group Videos Outlaw Graffiti" Published during the summer of 1991. You can also verify this article by contacting the author her self (vtobak(AT)gmail.com)

• LINK the (1991) Paper Magazine article - - > http://bitshare.com/?f=d4iae3t7 Again this article can be verified by contacting the author (vtobak(AT)gmail.com)

6. (1993) Videograf Productions was interviewed by "Ronald Reagan jr" for a nationwide audience on the fox news network, the interview can be seen on vimeo it starts at 7:26 --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 06:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Argument for not deleting

The New York Times has reached out to Videograf productions four different times.

• Vibe Magazine, a national publication Interviewed Videograf Productions "The Great Graffiti Bust"

• Paper Magazine, a very important local New York City Magazine did a full page interviewed with Videograf Productions. "Group Videos Outlaw Graffiti"

• I've listed four different books that have reached out to Videograf Productions for interviews including a most recently published book by By Eric Felisbret "Graffiti New York" This has an interview about Videograf Productions. In the book "Graffiti New York" Videograf Productions is mentioned on pages 45,326,327,336,317,327 The Interview is split between Pages 326 and 327

• Videograf Productions was interviewed by "Ronald Reagan jr" for a nationwide audience on the fox news network, the interview can be seen on vimeo it starts at 7:26

• When the media wants to talk to someone about graffiti media in many instances they turn to Videograf Productions.--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Here's a New York Daily News article that Quotes Videograf Productions: Decades of art are up for bid in SoHo --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 12:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More Argument for not deleting'

• All four of the books that have been listed here have interviewed and or have consulted videograf productions because of there importance within the graffiti community. Vibe magazine did there article about the 1994 arrest because nothing like that had ever happened before. Fox news interviewed videograf productions because there wasn't anything like it before, a media company dedicated to the promotion graffiti culture. Paper Magazine interviewed Videograf because they wanted to show mainstream New Yorkers that there was a company that could legally document graffiti and the fact that was protected free speech. The New York Time reached out to videograf productions many times for interviews on the topic of graffiti culture because they recognized Videograf's importance to graffiti culture.--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  

• Complex Magazine The 50 Biggest Street Art Arrests --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 23:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

user:Gfacekilla1966 Are you an employee at Videograf Productions? Do you have a PDF copy of any of these articles, book segments, etc.? User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 02:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was planning on authoring a few wiki pages for other graffiti videos by others company, but I must say that after the small amount of push back here I don't think I will try, I mean videograf productions, the founders of this whole recurring graffiti video movement that has help spawned a thousand imitators can't qualify for notability then none of the other graffiti videos have a chance in hell. --Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 14:22, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an employee of videograf productions, I found out about the videograf wiki page in a graffiti forum, i created my user id that same day and started to contribute. I only own one of the books Graffiti New York - By Eric Felisbret, Luke Felisbret, James Prigoff , I'm a collecter of graffiti videos like style wars, state your name, the art of store telling, bomb it, fukk graff and many many others--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 14:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Does any of these things that I have already listed make Videograf Productions Notable? Even in the graffiti world?

• (1991) Paper Magazine, a very important local New York City Magazine did a full page interviewed with Videograf Productions. "Group Videos Outlaw Graffiti" Download the article and read it here
• (1995) Vibe Magazine Called "Great Graffiti Bust" (March 1995) By Elliott Wilson

http://books.google.com/books?id=SSwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA32&dq=carl+weston&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s0uxT8jkLcSz6gH47eTZBw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=carl%20weston&f=true

• Videograf Productions was interviewed by "Ronald Reagan jr" for a nationwide audience on the fox news network, the interview can be seen on vimeo it starts at 7:26

--Gfacekilla1966 (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - per WP:PRESERVE and allow time for the article to be improved. The topic appears to have received a fair amount of media coverage (example link), and editors appear interested in improving the article, per the activity in this discussion. Wikipedia is about building an encyclopedia, not immediately having extended discussions about the elimination of topics literally right after they're created. It's a brand new article that was created on 16 May 2012 (UTC).‎ Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Old AfD, so I'll weigh in. Discussion above is a hopeless mess, due in part to a COI or inexperienced editor, however, that editor is throwing up a lot of stuff that suggests notability exists.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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