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Anton Demenshchin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 02:48, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gael Mabiala (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 02:48, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 06:57, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Damien Marie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shota Saito (footballer, born 1994) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 16 times professionally in 2014, hasn't played professionally since, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kévin Le Bras (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Naoki Ogawa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 19 times professionally, has not played since 2018, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kenya Takahashi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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There is one non press release source in the article that doesn't work. Played 24 times professionally [1], hasn't played since, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:37, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Riku Moriyasu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 24 times professionally [2], has not played since 2019, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:34, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryuya Motoda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 19 times professionally [3], has not played since 2019, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:29, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Nkopeka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod with reason "add context that athlete is known to have significantly improved the year following the Olympics". Still only based on databases, lacking SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shoichiro Sakamoto (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 34 times professionally (23 in Singapore [4]) has not played since 2017 RossEvans19 (talk) 02:25, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:35, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Naofumi Tanaka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 48 times for Albirex Niigata Singapore [5], retired in 2018, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:20, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shuhei Yamada (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Played 5 times professionally, [6], 4 for Fujieda and 1 for Albirex Niigata Singapore, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:17, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tomoki Menda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Has not played professionally since 2017, article fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Basil Kilani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. Source was added https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times-liberian-runner-sh/166592209/ which doesn't appear to name this person. Lacking SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Well, he exists [7]. That's about the extent of what I find, there are three other sources in Gnewspapers that just give race results. We don't have enough to meet GNG Oaktree b (talk) 23:42, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dominic Saidu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. One of the sources added was https://www.goteamliberia.com/liberia-at-olympics/ which doesn't appear to be SIGCOV. I am still not seeing SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Gary Georges (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. The only source added was a database. Still lacking SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:39, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Said Khalil Al-Dosari (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod with 2 database sources added. Lacking SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Munir Itani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't meet notability guidelines. The only knowledge of his existence comes from Olympedia, which only mentions that he competed for Lebanon at the 1948 Winter Olympics but did not start. That article covers his involvement in those Games in its entirety, and I cannot find a single other source that provides more information. Jordano⁵³ 19:10, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Branislav Regec (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2010 Winter Olympics#Luge because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Higor (footballer, born 1998) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Another case of a player with few professional appearances (8 in Soccerway [8] 19 in ogol.com.br [9]). The athlete has already retired and the sources in the article do not show any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 04:32, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Hasn't played enough to have enough written about him. Fails WP:GNG – RossEvans19 (talk) 02:11, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pety (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Only 3 professional appearances according to Soccerway and 9 according to ogol.com.br [10]. Clearly fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Hasn't played enough to have enough written about him. Fails WP:GNG – RossEvans19 (talk) 02:13, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jefferson Souza (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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According to Soccerway he only had 9 professional appearances in his career. The player's page at ogol.com.br/playmarketstats.com has been removed. Zero WP:SIGCOV and also fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - removal of his stats page speaks volumes here. And it appears to be only stats pages to begin with. C679 09:40, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bahia (footballer, born 1997) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Only 17 professional appearances from EC Santo André, from 2017–2021 [11]. In other databases such as ogol.com.br, they have not recorded any activity since then. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:43, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NSKATE, WP:SPORTSBASIC, and WP:GNG. Only competed at the junior level and never medaled in the one junior figure skating competition we recognize as significant. 4meter4 (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: A bronze medal at the Junior Grand Prix Final is a notable achievement, although I realize it is not included on the list of criteria for WP:NSKATE. That competition is one notch below the World Junior Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus was not to include that level of achievement at the SNG for figure skaters when it was crafted by the community, so from a wiki community guideline point of view it isn’t notable unless there is GNG level sourcing that supports that. The junior level of skating doesn’t typically get SIGCOV outside of the World Junior Championship medalists.4meter4 (talk) 06:37, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I am also unable to find enough coverage to support keeping the article. The win could be notable with some good sources; I tried a newspaper search, nothing turns up. Oaktree b (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Tsvetkov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NSKATE, WP:SPORTSBASIC, and WP:GNG. Lacks independent significant coverage. Only competed at the junior level and never medaled in the one junior figure skating competition we recognize as significant. 4meter4 (talk) 00:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: A bronze medal at the Junior Grand Prix Final is a notable achievement, although I realize it is not included on the list of criteria for WP:NSKATE. That competition is one notch below the World Junior Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus was not to include that level of achievement at the SNG for figure skaters when it was crafted by the community, so from a wiki community guideline point of view it isn’t notable unless there is GNG level sourcing that supports that. The junior level of skating doesn’t typically get SIGCOV outside of the World Junior Championship medalists.4meter4 (talk) 15:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Baba Sylla (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Can't find reliable sources to support WP:GNG. Player made 4 Ligue 2 appearances ten years ago. No sources indicate notability other than article creation when WP:NFOOTY existed. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - these sources do not establish notability. C679 09:43, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG. Lack of SIGCOV on search. Canary757 (talk) 19:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect to 1984–85 Colchester United F.C. season as sole claim to fame. GiantSnowman 21:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nesbit Bentley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This came up at WP:AWSE and I'm nominating it because I think it fails the WP:GNG criteria. There are ten similar cases at AWSE, all short stubs concerning Olympic competitors who did not win medals. I haven't used AFD until now, and I've decided to nominate only one initially, as advised in WP:BUNDLE. Depending on how this one goes, I may then nominate the other ten.

This was a one-line stub based on statistical information at Olympedia. I'm not sure if that should be regarded as a reliable source. I found some extra information, although it is purely routine stuff about family and profession, so I've managed to expand it a little, but the only other sailing information I've got is the name of his club. As Bentley did not win a medal at the 1956 Games, the article fails WP:NOLYMPICS, and the lack of significant coverage overall fails WP:SPORTSCRIT.

I should explain that, when I was reviewing the AWSE items earlier, I tagged numerous Olympic ones for notability and was going to leave it at that. I later realised that these eleven were created by a former editor who will not be able to take action, and so I decided to bring them to AFD.

I think the two sorting lists I've selected are okay. Please let me know if there is anything else I need to do. Spartathenian (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Sailing at the 1956 Summer Olympics – Finn as an appropriate ATD. No sources found, except to verify the subject did participate in the 1956 games. Please do not bundle Olympians because they all can be redirected to the event the subjects participated in. --Enos733 (talk) 20:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Bentley is already listed there so I agree with redirecting. Thanks for your advice about the bundle, Enos733. Redirecting them will be much easier. Spartathenian (talk) 21:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Tulyakov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:57, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:54, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:28, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Not sure where you searched, but seems to meet GNG. Coverage of breakthrough [12] [13], career in 2019 [14] [15]/[16], career-threatening surgery [17] [18] and comeback albeit on a lower level [19]. I only went through the first three pages of search hits. Geschichte (talk) 16:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep. Not as good SNG-wise, but seems to meet GNG with sustained coverage: [20] [21] [22] [] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] Geschichte (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 04:25, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Non-notable subject; I am unable to find any significant coverage, or anything other than mentions in listings or statistics. No references with significant coverage appear to exist for this subject. —Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 10:54, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I found mentions of him in Swedish and Danish newspapers, but it seems to be routine match coverage: [30][31][32][33][34][35][36] These two[37][38] appear more focused on him but I'm not sure about the source. I'm leaning delete based on what I see here but it's worth noting that Swedish/Danish sources don't tend to index like some other places; I had to search those newspapers manually for his name. Zzz plant (talk) 04:06, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  These three, [39][40][41], may also be more than routine but I cannot assess properly them due to logins. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject fails WP:GNG. Cannot locate reliable, significant sources in support of the player's notability per Wikipedia's guidelines. Wikipedia is not a directory of Australian football players nor a historical document. -The Gnome (talk) 15:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC) -The Gnome (talk) 15:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Are we really still doing this? Redirect it to the list of players. That's the agreed outcome. But I hope destruction of what's been built here makes you feel good inside. And given none of those guidelines apply in any way, try actually reading those irrelevant WP:NOT pages before you so diligently linked to them. Or even better, spend your time reading WP:PURPOSE to remind yourself what Wikipedia is, rather than what it is not. The-Pope (talk) 12:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of engaging in such a foaming, often incoherent, personal attack, an action that, you should know, does not go unpunished here, you are kindly advised to focus on the heart of the matter. Where are the sources that support the article's subject as being independently notable? As to what "has been agreed", I have no idea what you're talking about and would speculate you are confusing me for someone else. -The Gnome (talk) 19:52, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can't wait to see what my punishment is. If you think that was "foaming, often incoherent" (that seems like a personal attack on me!), you should've seen the first draft before I toned it down. See Talk:Bill_Ockleshaw for an example of how other deletionists go about it. Have you read the Purpose document yet? Or are you too busy trying to delete articles that were legitimately created under previous guidelines? The-Pope (talk) 04:26, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why you are unable to simply acknowledge that you accused me of something I was not part of is no longer my concern. Sarcastic expressions such as "too busy" close down firmly all avenues of decent communication. Only this, self-evident truth: When the rules change, we change our actions accordingly. That's how it goes wherever there are rules, from society's laws to Wikipedia's policies. And now you're on your own. -The Gnome (talk) 09:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep. No valid argument has been given why this should be deleted when such an obvious valid alternative to deletion exists. The crusade against sports continues while others skate by with a free pass. When are we going to see the same standards applied to academics and artists or are they worthy pursuits unlike the undignified practice of grown men chasing around after a ball. Let's enforce rules for some while we ignore them for others. Incoherent foaming done for now. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is the second comment attacking the nominator instead of addressing the points raised in the nomination. For what little it may be worth, and as it happens, I have no idea whatsoever what on Earth is that "crusade" you are talking about, and I do not want to know! But where do you get this notion of me dismissing sports as "undignified"? It would prevent you from posting up such nonsense if you knew more about my person but, of course, I will not go there. As to the "valid argument" for deletion which you claim is absent, it is already present in the nomination: The subject lacks notability as notability is defined in Wikipedia. Importantly, Wikipedia is not a directory of all sportsmen, for any sport, from Australian-rules football to Zorb football. -The Gnome (talk) 18:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Komissarov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Really had no playing career and is only known as a football manager on the third and fourth tier in Russia. The Russian Second League might have been included in the old "professional league" list of WP:WPF. However it is very obvious that the Second League was not fully professional, consisting of 60 teams of varying strength. This would need multiple pieces of in-depth, secondary, independent coverage to pass the GNG bar. Geschichte (talk) 07:50, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:04, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since no search party returned from the taiga with some worthwhile morsel of notability. -The Gnome (talk) 00:29, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:16, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• [42] Sources--176.88.139.243 (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SPORTCRIT Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this Belgian footballer to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 06:12, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Our subject does not meet the notability criteria. -The Gnome (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:16, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Haitian footballer, who has not played a game in five years. JTtheOG (talk) 06:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Played for the Haitian national team, university division 2, and was promoted for two years in an amateur league before becoming a free agent. A few press releases about transfers, but no notable coverage of their performance on the teams. Matthew Yeager (talk) 08:11, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 00:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Lateef (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers, since subject fails WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:34, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: The nominator did not provide a statement for this one, but I assume this was inadvertent, and the same basic rationale as their other recent nominations in this topic area applies here — a GNG/NSPORTS failure for lack of significant coverage that, at best, is reliant on non-notability-supporting routine coverage. (I don't generally provide any opinion in AfDs in this topic area, and will not provide one here either.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:09, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect to 2007 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2007 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq since subject lacks individual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:31, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: he was not in that list. But he is now. Geschichte (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:30, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers' since subject lacks individual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers since subject distinctly lacks individual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:07, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:06, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements.c Cassiopeia talk 23:59, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Double league and double cup champion in Iraq, but I'm not taking it upon me to search in Arabic, so redirect to List of Iraq international footballers pending better sources. Geschichte (talk) 07:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 13:59, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 23:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 13:59, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 23:26, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment – It is highly unlikely that a 2007 Asian champion player would not have WP:SIGCOV in Arabic sources. There is material about the Iraq title even in other languages. Svartner (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Sources? as per requirements indicated above. Cassiopeia talk 00:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment Really? Nothing is Mesopotamian Arabic or Farsi? I don't trust your nomination, I feel it's probably a bias one and I doubt you will even be able to find sources due to language barrier. With the multiple nomination you're doing. I will simply say Procedural keep because I don't trust your process. I am simply going to post on this one. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2007 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq. GiantSnowman 13:58, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I find no coverage for this athlete. There is likely some in the native-language media, but I am unable to search them... Happy to revisit if a native speaker can present some sourcing that would help. Oaktree b (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 23:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I believe deletion is out of the question as the person has an entry in List of Iraq international footballers, which would be a good redirect ATD. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: In order for a subject to warrant a dedicated page on Wikipedia, it must fulfill the criteria outlined in WP:GNG. Merely being included in a list of articles or possessing links to specific articles does not suffice to establish notability. Cassiopeia talk 07:16, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Wissam Kadhim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 22:54, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 12:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I believe deletion is out of the question as the person has an entry in List of Iraq international footballers, which would be a good redirect ATD. Geschichte (talk) 07:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Slovak men's footballer whose professional career lasted between 13 and 220 minutes. The only secondary sources I found are Plus jeden deň and SME, neither of which cover him in significant details. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:57, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:11, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per WP:NSPORT. Herinalian (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 13:57, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not seeing how this passes WP:NATH or WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:55, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. Wanted to try to save this one as he does hold a national record in Luxembourg, but could only find one source in my brief search. I added that one at least, if someone else wants to try to add more. Kylemahar902 (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, I believe it meets GNG with sources such as [43] [44], possibly [45] (completely paywalled) as well as substantial coverage (not passing) of specific competitions [46] [47] [48]. Things can happened fast in athletics, and this guy suddenly broke through in 2024 despite little success prior to that. Geschichte (talk) 21:47, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Due to additional sources provided by Geschichte and the fact that, as a national record holder who has appeared at major championships, there is almost certainly coverage of him in print in Luxembourg but obviously that canmot be accessed unless you go to archives in that country. Any Luxembourgish Wikipedieans out there? Lookslikely (talk) 00:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  While I agree with your overall opinion, everything notable about the person has happened from 2024 onwards, so I don't think we need to rely on print media. There may be a piece or two, but more so online as I only went through the first 3-4 pages of search hits. Geschichte (talk) 06:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  By searching in French I found these sources too [49], [50], [51], [52] Lookslikely (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I approved this article off AFC for passing WP:NATH which was noted on the talk page. Justiyaya 01:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per multiple sources found.Canary757 (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep due to great work on sources found by User:Geschichte above, would be great to add them to the article next. --Habst (talk) 13:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

William Msiska (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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declined prod with added source only being a database. Still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep based on WP:NEXISTS in a similar vein to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moustafa Matola. I believe in using NEXISTS sparingly, but I think this is a valid use case because 1) We know that the subject accomplished something of note (was a sprint Olympian) in reliable sources, and 2) the subject comes from a place (Malawi) where we have no newspaper archive access from his time period, and there is no access in WP:LIBRARY. Do sources exist? I would say yes, but we have no way of accessing them. Maybe we can reach out to offline sources in Malawi for contemporary coverage, but that process would take weeks at least. --Habst (talk) 15:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "Do sources exist? I would say yes" WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: per nom FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moustafa Matola (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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declined prod with added sources only being databases. Still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep based on WP:NEXISTS. If the subject was from an area where we have full digitized newspaper access via WP:LIBRARY and we still found no sources I would endorse deletion. But Matola is an Olympian from Malawi where we have no comprehensive online archive of coverage available. Maybe in five or ten years that will change and we can reopen the discussion.

And no, this rationale can't and shouldn't be used to blindly keep all articles from Malawi – the difference in this case is that we have verifiable information that the subject has accomplished something of note (being among Malawi's first Olympians), the only thing we're lacking is the prose-based coverage to add color. --Habst (talk) 14:01, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSTBESOURCES. This vote contains no evidence for how WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY is met. LibStar (talk) 14:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar SPORTCRIT and NOLY are supplementary subject-specific guidelines, meaning that they don't have to be met at all as long as WP:N (meaning NEXISTS which is also on that page) is met. WP:N supersedes the topic-specific guidelines. --Habst (talk) 14:44, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NEXISTS doesn't give a free pass to articles being kept when no reliable sources are provided. LibStar (talk) 14:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NEXIST isn't a free pass. In this case, there's a reasonable rationale for why sources exist given the verified information we have about the subject's accomplishments. --Habst (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're asking for a free pass for someone that came 7th in a heat. You obviously searched for sources but couldn't find any. LibStar (talk) 15:17, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asking for any free pass, that's not what NEXISTS is. I looked at what's available to me, but I have no way of searching the Malawian newspaper sources that we know would have covered this Olympic athlete in the 1970s. Do you have access to those? --Habst (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously searched for sources but couldn't find any. I will happily withdraw this nomination as keep if you can provide evidence of multiple sources. LibStar (talk) 15:56, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How can I provide evidence of sources if we have no access to archives that would have covered the subject? I'll happily change my !vote if you can provide evidence that you've searched a Malawian newspaper archive with coverage from this time period, and not found anything. The issue is those archives aren't accessible on the web. --Habst (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The onus is on keep voters to demonstrate existence of stories. I suggest you look harder. LibStar (talk) 16:12, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All you are saying and speculating is that he could have been covered in Malawian press with no evidence he was covered in a SIGCOV fashion. As an Olympic athlete, you'd might expect some international coverage. LibStar (talk) 16:15, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that as an Olympian we should expect international coverage to exist. Doing an offline search for this sort of info would take weeks and potentially real world money. An American athlete in a similar position would surely be covered because WP:Newspapers.com has great coverage of U.S. newspapers from the 70s. Where is the similar resource for Malawian newspapers? Until this question can be answered, invoking WP:NEXISTS for the prose-based coverage is valid as long as WP:V is met, which it is (everything on the page is currently cited to a reliable source). --Habst (talk) 18:14, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He came 84th place we generally don't keep articles for such a low place unless there is SIGCOV which you failed to provide. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, the place doesn't matter, see WP:DIDNOTWIN. What matters is if the general notability guideline, including NEXISTS, is met. But for the record, precedent has shown that top-90 Olympians are generally notable, see for example top 90 100m sprinters at the 2024, 2020, 2016, 2012, etc. Olympics. --Habst (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe for 100m sprints but not other events. You still have failed to provide SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, "Maybe for 100m sprints but not other events" – The subject competed in the 100m sprint, so even if that was true it doesn't apply here. Per NEXISTS, SIGCOV isn't required to be cited in the article as long as we can be sure it exists elsewhere. --Habst (talk) 13:06, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As others have said "NEXISTS argument is patently absurd". LibStar (talk) 22:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar As others have said, "Do you know what's actually "patently absurd"? Claiming that a nation would not cover their first-ever Olympian and probably most prominent athlete from the time." --Habst (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the sources? LibStar (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar The sources are in contemporary Malawian newspapers / radio / publications, from the 1970s. That's what NEXIST means. How can we get access to those archives? --Habst (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which Malawian newspapers/radio/publications? Please specify date/name and page number of publication. For radio, please name station and time and date of program. Thanks LibStar (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It'd likely be The Daily Times, Malawi News, and perhaps Moni Magazine and This is Malawi, in 1972. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Month, day, page number? LibStar (talk) 23:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, ok then. Daily Times, 31 August 1972, p. 1, should be checked. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

and what does this page say about this athlete? LibStar (talk) 00:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I said it should be checked (since you preferred knowing the exact date of a paper that could of covered him...), not that I can tell you what the page says. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

so how did you determine there is coverage on 31 August 1972 page 1? LibStar (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, how can you even talk about these matters without having access to the publication? The premise of your conversation isn't founded in policy; NEXIST isn't about pointing out a specific page number or timestamp, it's about knowing that coverage exists, and yes, using common sense is allowed in this process. --Habst (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 00:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What you linked is an essay. The argument for keep is founded in WP:NEXIST, which is the notability guideline that is well-established by global consensus. There is a difference between these approaches. --Habst (talk) 00:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Funny you respond to everything I saw but not JoelleJay's vote below. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both of you need to stop bludgeoning the discussion with silly bickering. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

that applies to Habst, I legitimately ask for sources to support a keep vote. LibStar (talk) 01:12, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Habst is at 12 replies, you're at 19. Both equal bludgeoning. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: nothing to establish notability + plus no medals to meet notability criteria for sport FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Literally no suitable sources have been identified, as required by global consensus. The NEXISTS argument is patently absurd, especially given the other recent global consensus that ruled merely competing at the Olympics does not establish even a presumption of SIGCOV existing. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree the argument presented is absurd. LibStar (talk) 03:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Malawi at the 1972 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV. Frank Anchor 11:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• (notability rant) Ah, yes. The first Olympian in the history of an African nation, and almost certainly their top sprinter from the time. Has a single newspaper in the history of the nation been searched? Nope. Have any newspapers from his continent been searched? Also nope. Yet a number of users are claiming that saying he's probably notable is "patently absurd". Do you know what's actually "patently absurd"? Claiming that a nation would not cover their first-ever Olympian and probably most prominent athlete from the time. This is exactly why Wikipedia's sports notability guidelines are ridiculous. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:27, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Abdul-Ridha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 20:59, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 15:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 20:58, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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*Redirect to Football at the 1986 Asian Games – Men's team squads#Iraq – As WP:ATD. If more sources appear, I will change my vote. Svartner (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Per BeanieFan11. Svartner (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I feel he's probably notable. The Arabic article notes that he "excelled" for his club and helped them win the top-tier Iraq championship and he "was among the best Iraqi goalkeepers of the 1980s," which is demonstrated by him being the team's goalkeeper at the Asian Games. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a story on him here – he later became goalkeepers coach for Al-Ramtha SC in Jordan. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a forum but someone there notes "I read an article in one of the electronic newspapers by brother Ali Al-Hasnawi, in which he narrates the history of the [goalkeeper] – The distinguished Iraqi Samir Abdul Redha, the national team goalkeeper in the eighties, and his journey that led him To train Benfica goalkeepers and supervise great goalkeepers such as the German Anka. He worked with Mourinho and Camacho, and before that, the Portuguese coach Vingada described him as 'the best coach.'" It includes a long snippet from the story but it seems it might be Adul-Ridha talking rather than a sportswriter – it does say that it is only a portion of the story though. He seems likely notable to me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:40, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Keep. This blog post about Adbul-Ridha contains photos of in-depth newspaper stories about him. It seems he was well-covered in Portuguese for being the first Iraqi in Portuguese football; he was known under the name "Samir Shaker" there and I found another story on him here. In addition to the Kooora post I mentioned above and the 1995 Al Riyadi newspaper I showed, this should be sufficient to keep given the circumstances (very poor access to the sources of the time). He seems to have been a star Iraqi goalkeeper and among their most prominent goalkeepers in the 1980s. Given the popularity of football in Iraq, it is all but certain he would have been significantly covered in his day. @Svartner: BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:52, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 20:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 20:58, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Added some additional sources that exclusively cover the subject at hand @ Alitheboss55 (talk) 02:50, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• 1. agnaden source is just a photo of the subject and has not indication of significant coverage.

2. foowz source is an interview piece for such it is considered not independent, in addition the foowz has been establish only one year ago as such reliability and fact checking of the source is in doubt.

3. almadapaper source has no indication of the subject at all. Cassiopeia talk 03:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to 2000 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq – As WP:ATD. If more sources appear, I will change my vote. Svartner (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG. Some coverage in the last non league daily reference but no other SIGCOV found on WP:BEFORE. Canary757 (talk) 16:25, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I agree there is insufficient notability established here. C679 09:35, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hasn't played since 2019, fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - Other than the The Straits Times article (which is already in the article), here's what I found,
  • Gekisaka,
  • Yahoo News,
  • Yahoo Sports (though I doubt this has WP:SIGCOV but seems like it)
  • Yahoo News
  • Gekisaka
  • Gekisaka

It's hard looking for the guy as Takuro Morinaga has the same character as him. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 06:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keita Nozaki (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Although he has played 43 times, he fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Herinalian (talk) 19:16, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – +40 appearances for Thespakusatsu Gunma. @User:Miminity maybe find something about him. Svartner (talk) 16:14, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:08, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The only RS or with WP:SIGCOV I found on google is from Gekisaka (example - Here's the page about him). The JP wiki has nothing either, it's all primary sources and press releases Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 05:39, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The person have not received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. WP:CORPTRIV: "standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage, e.g.: "said Roman Gevorkyan, future administrator of the club" or "as Armenian businessman Roman Gevorkyan is strongly considering a bid.." Cinder painter (talk) 08:48, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:08, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - sources appear to generally discuss the business rather than the individual, for which there is not sufficient WP:SIGCOV. C679 09:32, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Haixu Zhang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I'm new to this but I really don't think this person is notable enough for an entire article. He's 1 of 2 Chinese cubers to have an article and the other one is the current best cuber BY FAR, and he's just someone who used to have a couple records in 4x4 a couple decades ago. He's probably a pretty cool guy when you get to know him, though. Yoshikid64 (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I tried searching for more sources and didn't find much. It seems like he is still actively involved in cube design and organizing tournaments, but I couldn't find much more than forum posts or press releases/tournament websites like [53][54]. His Baidu Baike page is one sentence long, I doubt we'll find much more than what we've got. Toadspike [Talk] 07:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources in my searches for sources. Haixu Zhang (simplified Chinese: 张海旭; traditional Chinese: 張海旭) does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. Cunard (talk) 08:03, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NCRIC. WP:BEFORE search gives no secondary sources. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 01:09, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Comment: A Google Search came up with him being involved in a scandal in 2014 here, on the page of a newspaper, the Sri Lanka Guardian, with a Wikipedia article. This doesn't connect to his playing career, of course; we'll, perhaps unfortunately, have to use ESPNcricinfo and CricketArchive for those, like is the case with a lot of Sri Lankan cricketers of that vintage. One source is still better than none...and if someone at WP:CRIC knows Tamil, maybe other sources can show themselves. I don't have a vote either way (he has enough matches for me not to support but not enough matches for me to oppose), but I wanted to point out I had found something about him. JustJamie820 (talk) 22:37, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:ANYBIO. Sources are all from his employer, brief mentions, or otherwise unreliable. CNMall41 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete per nom. Very questionable sources, couldn't find anything myself to indicate notability. Kylemahar902 (talk) 12:50, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not seeing any sufficiently independent, reliable and secondary sources to reach WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:14, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above and WP:TOOSOON. Sports broadcasters often have long careers, well into their 60s, and this subject is only 32 and thus has just started his career. Bearian (talk) 07:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG. V.short pro career. No SIGCOV evident. Canary757 (talk) 18:45, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - absence of WP:SIGCOV. C679 09:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NATH and WP:NOLY. Non-notable athlete with a short career and without achievements.The recent expansion did nothing to prove notability. FromCzech (talk) 08:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: As I had stated in my prod endorsement: Fails WP:NATH and WP:NOLY. Also fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:54, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – The third reference looks decent, but multiple sources containing significant coverage are required. It also looks like a blogspot anyway. I thought of redirect to Athletics at the 1924 Summer Olympics – Men's marathon#Results, but given that nothing happened to this person since his participation and we can't find anything to verify his death, further coverage of him are extremely impossible to find. Offline sources like archived newspapers may exist, but we can't assume that to be the case. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:26, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Clariniie, although multiple sources containing significant coverage are required to exist, only one is actually required to be cited in the article, per WP:SPORTCRIT prong 5 which is fulfilled in this case. I don't think that It also looks like a blogspot is a fair reason for dismissing a source because it's not a Blogspot site. --Habst (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Even with only one significant coverage seems to be weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:57, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article. That indication is if the subject already meets NATH, which they don't. We need to establish GNG for him here. JoelleJay (talk) 22:16, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 12:46, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Another Lugnuts page. Per Clara. RossEvans19 (talk 13:27, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per the expansion. Subject was a runner-up finisher at the Prague Marathon (before its 1995 reboot) in the 1920s, posted top times in the 5000 m and 10,000 m and was also an accomplished association football player. One of the sources we have says (translated), "sometimes you'll find his name in an old almanac or brochure mentioning the old days of Hradec Králové athletics". So that means invoking WP:NEXISTS is valid here -- where are those old almanacs or brochures? As long as we know they exist (and we do because they're referenced in the article), Wikipedia guidelines say those should be considered in deletion discussions. --Habst (talk) 14:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Nothing in the expansion suggests it would pass the WP:NATH criteria. The 1920 marathon in Prague is a different competition than the modern Prague Marathon, and with significance not exceeding the national level. Records in almanacs about regional athletic competitions can hardly be taken as SIGCOV and notable sporting achievements. It is also not true that he was an "accomplished association football player" – there is only a mention of him playing for a club playing in a regional competition. FromCzech (talk) 11:49, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Have any Czech newspapers from the time been searched? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. No SIGCOV in IRS. The Hradec Kralove site is a group blog by local amateur sports historians. If actual sources are found the page can be recreated. JoelleJay (talk) 19:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Habst. Notable through competing in the Olympics as well. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep per Habit and COMMONSENSE. GiantSnowman 20:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the expansion by Habit. We haven't even checked old Czech newspapers yet. The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Czechoslovakia at the 1924 Summer Olympics#Athletics, as the subject is listed as a competitor at this target. Fails GNG and NATH due to a lack of SIGCOV. I don’t believe the recent additions do much to move past the GNG threshold. Frank Anchor 16:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would be fine if this ended as redirect. Article can be restored if anyone has found archived newspapers containing significant coverage, as BeanieFan11 said. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn Dawson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Sources provided are insufficient for general notability guideline as shown by source analysis (below), in which at most one source is acceptable. WP:BEFORE did not retrieve better sources, in particular for Jet ski at the 2023 SEA Games which one would expect some recent coverage about.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Bri

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dawndawsond2/	subject's SPS can not be used for notability	claims about education do not have an exception in WP:ABOUTSELF	The article discusses the subject directly and in detail	✘ No
http://www.reflectionsadvertising.com/works/	not independent; employer	presumed reliable for WP:ABOUTSELF material	has part of subject's name in email address, no other bio details	✘ No
https://aafcos.com/past-winners-silver-medal-award/	not independent; uses awarding org. as citation of award	presumed reliable for WP:ABOUTSELF material	provides a year and a name, no details about what was award-worthy	✘ No
https://www.csbj.com/2001/09/28/how-a-co-springs-ad-agency-owner-became-a-world-champion-jet-skier/		Business Journal generally reliable	Dead link, not archived, can not be retrieved for assessment	? Unknown
https://www.ijsba.com/results/2000/results2000wf_overall_expert.htm	source states that this subj is an affiliate of their org (see quote)	presumed reliable for WP:ABOUTSELF material	passing mention: "The event is being organized, in part, by longtime IJSBA announcer (and racer) Dawn Dawson..."	✘ No
https://www.ijsba.com/flora-bama-grand-prix-this-weekend-april-13-15-pensacola-florida/	coverage of org's own event	presumed reliable for WP:ABOUTSELF material	passing mention of announcer at an event	✘ No
http://mulletwrapper.net/emerald-coast-grand-prix-jet-ski-race-april-13-15-at-bama/		local alt-weekly not considered reliable. At RSN another editor said "somewhat reliable for coverage of its local area" which could mean reliable for the fact that they announced the event.	passing mention of announcer/coordinator for an event	✘ No
http://nzjetski.co.nz/2012-nz-jet-sports-nationals			passing mention: "The Canterbury Club flew the lovely international jet ski announcer Dawn Dawson all the way from her home in the USA, Dawn kept the large crowd informed and entertained all weekend with her cheeky banter."	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNYnCj7Bk8A	Independence of un-authenticated YT uploader is impossible to determine (possibly pseudonymous).	YouTube clips can not be used for notability (WP:YOUTUBE) with rare exceptions. This is an upload by some individual of their personal video and should be treated as non-reliable SPS.	the subject's name is credited in the video description as an announcer, nothing more	✘ No
https://www.csindy.com/Promoted/archives/2018/08/07/local-announcer-dawn-dawson-goes-to-indonesia-for-2018-asian-games		local alt-weekly Colorado Springs Independent, not useful for notability		✘ No
https://www.ijsba.com/australian-national-championships-april-29-30/	about own event: "the AJSBA is proud to once again present the highest level of jetsports competition in Australia says President"	presumed reliable for WP:ABOUTSELF material	passing mention: "This year we welcome... Dawn Dawson providing expert commentary..."	✘ No
http://www.blowsionsurfslam.com/news/	website about own event	presumed reliable on basic facts	passing mention: "Esteemed Surfslam announcers Mike Young and Dawn Dawson will be on hand all weekend assisting the web stream" (archived)	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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• Delete - I tried to find an archived link for that colarado springs business journal link on wayback machine and in the csbj's own archives, but failed. I agree with the source review that the other references are passing, promotional or not-independent. --Spacepine (talk) 05:10, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Jeffrey Beall (talk) 11:09, 19 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]
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Hamid Amni (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability, he won some medals in amateur non-notable competitions. his biggest achievement is a bronze in Asian Indoor Martial Arts Games which is not much notable itself. googling his name in English doesn't give much about him. Sports2021 (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as per nom. Fails athlete notability and reads like a vanity page. Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails notability, apparently she won some medals in WKA competitions which belongs to amateurs. WKA is not WAKO which is the recognized international federation for kickboxing. Sports2021 (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Does not meet guidelines for athlete a per nom. WKA is not sufficient. Lekkha Moun (talk) 15:30, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, Insufficient coverage by independent, reliable secondary sources to pass WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Played twice in 2019, hasn't played professionally since RossEvans19 (talk) 18:38, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Premature creation, no independent significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 22:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:20, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:41, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Japanese name search yield no result, JP wiki is using press release, Even Gekisaka has no news for the guy. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 14:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Played once in the Emperor's Cup, hasn't played professionally since RossEvans19 (talk) 17:07, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Fails GNG also no significant coverages. AgerJoy talk 18:17, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, no reason to exist, creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 22:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:20, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I found this sources from Town News (Newspaper company from Kanagawa), Gekisaka 1 2 (Owned by Kodansha), Here by Number. I just drop it here as I don't know if this is enough for GNG.Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 15:15, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per GNG (Acer's userpage |what did I do now) 15:16, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominated by 99.142.64.153 (talk · contribs) for the following reason:

I feel she should be deleted because I couldn't find any sources that mention her competing in any Olympic events and she doesn't seem to have any coverage from local events either. I don't think this article should exist just because she was nominated for an Olympic team.

This is a procedural nomination; I am neutral. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added several sources that cover high school and collegiate track accomplishments, some of which I added to the article. Nnev66 (talk) 21:28, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Her accomplishments do not appear to satisfy WP:NTRACK, and a couple of short newspaper articles are little more than announcements from her hometown paper[55] or university-related,[56][57] so WP:GNG isn't satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Had no career on the international level, therefore only local coverage. Geschichte (talk) 11:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep. Per Tilastopaja the subject was nominated for the Canadian 2016 Olympic team and competed at the 2015 World University Games advancing to the semi-finals and finals, so the statement that she "had no career on the international level" simply isn't correct. Subject was also the 2016 Bajan national champion over 100m so she fulfills WP:TRACK prong 1 and prong 4, it's incorrect to say that she doesn't satisfy NTRACK.

Now getting to the actual coverage, above article from the Springfield News-Leader can't be dismissed outright because it's a "local paper" -- that still qualifies as "independent" per the WP:GNG definition, "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.

I've found several other high quality GNG-contributing sources, for example:

• "Guleph sprinter proves she belongs with Canada's best". Waterloo Region Record. 16 Jul 2016. p. 1. Retrieved 16 February 2025.
• "Olympic potential seen by teacher". Waterloo Region Record. 16 Jul 2016. p. 2. Retrieved 16 February 2025.
• "Missouri State track star will run for Canada". The Springfield News-Leader. 12 Jul 2016. p. D1. Retrieved 16 February 2025.
• "Kurtimah finishes 13th in 100-meter dash at World University Games". The Springfield News-Leader. 10 Jul 2015. p. D4. Retrieved 16 February 2025.
• "Royal City showdown fizzles". Guelph Mercury. 11 Jun 2012. p. B1. Retrieved 16 February 2025.
• "Triple threat off to blistering start". Guelph Mercury. 1 Jun 2013. p. 13. Retrieved 16 February 2025.

The next step is to improve the article using these sources, which I think I can take on in the coming days. But the case for deletion isn't backed up by P&G with the newly found sources. --Habst (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Being nominated" counts for nothing in a career, and the World University Games is not an international meet - it's an international age-specific (and profession-specific, really) meet. "Strong keep" is ridiculous and you still mix in routine coverage with other coverage. Geschichte (talk) 16:29, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Geschichte, greatly respect your contributions but I disagree with both points. Being nominated can count for something in a career, just like being nominated for an award but not winning it can still be career-defining. And of course the World University Games is an international meet in the same way that the World Athletics U20 Championships is; athletes compete representing their country. I think based on the sources a strong keep view is justified. --Habst (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The coverage uncovered by Habst isn't the most impressive, but it appears to have enough combined independent coverage about the subject to meet WP:NBASIC. Let'srun (talk) 04:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:54, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep There is enough here for the article to be kept. The article isn’t brilliant but there is enough coverage. ScrabbleTiles (talk) 11:05, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Reid (entrepreneur) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No evidence of notability Boynamedsue (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Of the three sources on the article this one is a local news report about a bathroom mirror that advertises and spies on people in the toilet. This one does not appear to give sigcov, as Brian Reid is not the topic of the article, but is an employee of the same. This one is an interview and therefore is not valid for establishing notability. I suspect this article may have started as either WP:COI or as a paid article.Boynamedsue (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Man doing his job. No indication of significance. Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 16:27, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Erzhan Askarov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable athlete. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No good placements nor any results achieved on a high international level. Essentially a hobby part-time practitioner. Geschichte (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Strong keep, if the subject is an athletics Olympian in the post-Internet era, significant coverage will be written about them, which means that !voters ought to do a thorough search for these types of AfDs. If significant coverage exists, it doesn't matter how fast or slow the results are. He has been covered under his native name "Ержан Аскаров" in [58] (readers from more than 100 countries), [59], [60], [61] (use webarchive), etc. --Habst (talk) 13:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: the above commenter has demonstrated time and time again a lack of understanding on the difference between significant and non-significant coverage. sport.kg is not significant coverage. knews.kg is even less significant coverage - it's two sentences! azattyk.org is not significant coverage, it's 21 words. The attempt to dump such sources in AFDs and pass them for something they are not, should not be condoned. Geschichte (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Geschichte, I greatly respect your work on sportsperson articles and want to come to a shared understanding so we aren't talking past each other. Per WP:BASIC which allows for combining coverage, even by your admission we have 21 words + 2 sentences + the sport.kg coverage + the 24.kg coverage, which amounts to at least a solid paragraph of known coverage in a language that we don't understand (= probably more extant sources available to those who speak the language).

  Based the notability guidelines and existing practice, that seems like a pretty clear keep rationale? I'm open to other ideas and will change my !vote if there's some indication that there isn't anything else out there. --Habst (talk) 02:07, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete not convinced by new sources mentioned above. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 02:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. A few sentences in routine announcements, most basically saying the same thing, scattered among a handful of sources is most certainly not enough for BASIC and definitively fails SPORTSCRIT. JoelleJay (talk) 06:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Kyrgyzstan at the 2012 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. I am not convinced the sources provided allow a pass of WP:GNG or WP:NATH/WP:NOLY. Frank Anchor 14:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Kyrgyzstan at the 2012 Summer Olympics#Athletics as a valid ATD. --Enos733 (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete without notoriety. 201.227.220.197 (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC) Strike suspected sock of Alon9393. Geschichte (talk) 22:26, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment A redirect to the event the subject participated in (or the nation state's page in limited instance) should be an appropriate outcome for all Olympians. --Enos733 (talk) 20:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Enos733 , is this a !vote for redirect rather than a comment? LibStar (talk) 22:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It is a comment since I have a bolded !vote above. I think the closing administrator for Olympians should default redirect > delete if there is no consensus to keep a stand-alone page, especially if an editor provides a valid redirect target. - Enos733 (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, should have seen that! LibStar (talk) 22:59, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamad Siraj Tamim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Eliminated in 1st round of heats. LibStar (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  delete. fails all criteria for WP:NTRACK and google search brought up only one source: 1, that does not even have any significant coverage of him. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 23:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that the Arabic name for this subject is محمد سراج تميم, and I'm seeing multiple Google hits for that name. Subject was the Lebanese national 100 m record-holder (aka "the fastest person in Lebanon") in the post-Internet age, so I'd be very surprised if there wasn't coverage. See for example this BBC Arabic article where the subject is profiled: [62] --Habst (talk) 03:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. 201.226.200.41 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep based on the BBC Arabic coverage, which makes the article pass SPORTCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. --Habst (talk) 12:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete It is not relevant in the sports field. 190.219.102.54 (talk) 02:10, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Herman Mattson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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WP:BEFORE shows zero sources about this person; thus failing WP:GNG. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:46, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I'm not finding much about him. I note that Australian reports of the 1925 All Blacks matches often refer to him as "A. Mattson" - perhaps he used his middle name? The National Library of New Zealand has info that was a Bank officer with the National Bank of New Zealand, Auckland, and on the Executive Council of NZ Bank Officers' Guild in 1939. [63] (not that that would contribute to notability, but would round out a bio). In Papers Past, the NZ digitised newspapers, there are an article about an Alfred Mattson who was a champion dirt track rider selected for the Tourist Trophy Races on the Isle of Man in 1933 [64], and in 1935 a mention that Alfred Mattson held the NZ record for 500cc machines [65]. If that is the same person, perhaps some motor bike racing wins or records would add to his notability - someone may know or find more about that. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment The motorcycle / speedway rider was Alf Mattson. Paora (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Doesnt seem to have significant coverage from WP:SIRS BTSfangir1 (talk) 11:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Thanks to Paora for the clarification about the motorcycle / speedway rider. I would say Redirect to the 1925 New Zealand rugby union tour of New South Wales, but none of the articles about All Blacks tours seem to have lists of the team members. Surely that would be useful information, and a way to avoid having articles about those who were not notable but still enable readers of WP to find information? There are plenty of sources which name the members of the teams. (I am not offering to add such lists. I note with interest that WP articles on All Blacks tours are very poorly referenced, and many have no in-line citations, nor do they have any tagging. It looks like the Rugby Union wikiproject has a lot of work to do!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep following expansion. Paora (talk) 12:48, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - While some of the references could still be improved, the article has been significantly expanded since it was nominated for deletion. I think there is enough here now to get the article over the line. TheSwamphen (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. None of the additional references constitute the required SIGCOV for GNG and SPORTSCRIT. 1, 6. NZ Rugby: governing org, not independent N. 2. Birth record: primary N. 3. Auckland Star: name in a list N. 4. Daily Telegraph: passing mention N. 5. The Sun: passing mention N. 7. Manawatu Standard: mentioned in routine play-by-play match recap, not SIGCOV or secondary N. 8. The Star: 1.5 sentences, nowhere near SIGCOV N. 9. Auckland Star: part of a sentence in routine injury report, not SIGCOV N. 10-13: more primary, non-independent sources N.
  Just because it is possible to string out a healthy amount of prose from primary and non-independent sources (almost everything is cited to his governing sports organization, which is explicitly considered non-independent) does not mean the subject is actually notable. JoelleJay (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Added further references, including to the authoritative Encyclopedia of New Zealand Rugby by Palenski, Chester and McMillan (4th edition, 2005) and used it instead of his profile on the All Blacks stats website wherever possible. Paora (talk) 10:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  How much coverage of him is in that book? JoelleJay (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The Encyclopedia of New Zealand Rugby does exactly what it says on the tin. It includes all players who have played for the All Blacks, and lists their vital statistics (dates and places of birth and death, playing position, number of appearances, date range of appearances, points scored, and first-class record) and gives a potted biography, generally between one and three paragraphs long. In Mattson's case the biography is two paragraphs long, and particularly discusses the injury problems that plagued his career, and notes that he later coached the Parnell club, which is not included in other references. Paora (talk) 10:56, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  How many sentences is "two paragraphs"? I'll reconsider my !vote if it actually is SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  7. Paora (talk) 20:03, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Enough coverage to satisfy GNG. If delete, redirect should be to player list that Herman is currently linked from, rather than tour article. Jevansen (talk) 22:31, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep The Encyclopedia of New Zealand Rugby entry is what pushes it over the GNG line. Schwede66 00:22, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel Aravena (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod with reason he was Pan american champion. I could not find sources to verify this. Google news comes up with a Chilean politician with the same name. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Note he did not finish the sole Olympic event he was in. LibStar (talk) 22:17, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Here's Pan American champion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:33, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Also appears here, providing his birth place and name. He's also served as a coach. Bedivere (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete doesnt meet WP:GNG . need more SourseMonhiroe (talk) 10:10, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a vote, Monhiroe. What is your deletion rationale? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:37, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Provided sources (More could be found with a simple Google search. Obviously expect Spanish-language sources, not English ones) are sufficient IMO. Bedivere (talk) 00:59, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  this one is a 1 line mention and not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 09:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That one may be a one line mention but expect significant offline coverage. This 1981 magazine for example makes extensive coverage of his triumph at the Panamerican games. Bedivere (talk) 15:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The curicopedia source is not a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#curicopedia.org. LibStar (talk) 22:18, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I can't read the 1981 magazine when I click it, just shows a very small scanned page. LibStar (talk) 22:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Curicópedia used to be a wiki but it isn't anymore, so the "open for editing" claim is not true. You should be able to search inside the magazine, try searching Manuel Aravena. Bedivere (talk) 23:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Curicopedia is not reliable and should not be used for establishing notability. LibStar (talk) 00:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Fair enough. Strike Curicopedia. We still have claims of notability here and there, and since his participation in some Pan American competition (not the Pan American games as Sam Kuru points out) dates back to the 1980s, there may be offline material since he is claimed to have won a medal or something. Bedivere (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Curicópedia is unsourced and user-generated and can't be used as a source here, but it can certainly be used to provide information to search on. Note that the Panamerican Games didn't happen in 1981; I think that's another large-scale event that he won. I think Bedivere is right - there's likely to be a decent amount of offline material on this. Unfortunately, my Spanish is also from the 1980s. I was able to find minor mentions in 1980 fairly quickly, and small mentions here, but that looks a little bloggy. Sam Kuru (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it's the Pan American Road Championships, see here.Sam Kuru (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Insufficient independenf WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. 201.226.200.75 (talk) 23:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC) — 201.226.200.75 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  thank God this is not a vote. Bedivere (talk) 02:55, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Whitney Webber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject is not notable, does not meet WP:ATHLETE and does not have enough news coverage. Tarkminas (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Apparently she did win a gold medal in the 2003 World Rowing Championships, so I get plenty of hits on random sports statistics websites and such, but not seeing anything at in terms of coverage. I think someone created this article along with others like Liane Malcos just to fill out the redlinks, and such articles do not contribute to the value of the encyclopedia. Kylemahar902 (talk) 22:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Her gold metal in international champion ship is noticeable achievement and many ghits. BTSfangir1 (talk) 05:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Not really. Wikipedia:Notability (sports) requires coverage. Even if she won the gold metal, unless there are reliable sources talking about here, its just not notable enough. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 16:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I had a good search online and couldn't find any additional sources. --Spacepine (talk) 03:18, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Dimitrov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable figure skater. Fails WP:NSKATE; no international senior-level medals, no national championships wins. On-line searches yield nothing beyond databases, scores, or a passing mention in articles detailing her previous skating partner, who went on to have more success than she did. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fernando Fonseca (footballer, born 1993) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unable to locate significant coverage of this individual. Searching turns up stats farms and namesakes, without any detailed information from independent sources. C679 08:43, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep – Per WP:HEY. I added sources that demonstrate WP:SIGCOV, the player has relevant spells with several intermediate Brazilian football clubs such as Joinville EC, SER Caxias and Ypiranga FC. Svartner (talk) 14:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Despite recent expansion by Svartner, in my view, most of the additional sources are transfer reports and contract renewal. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I added more recent transfer sources, but most of them provide a summary of the player's career in addition to all the relevant information to establish WP:GNG. I don't see any gaps missing. Svartner (talk) 14:59, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Svartner and AGF for notability. GiantSnowman 20:59, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am withdrawing this nomination per the good sources found and added by User:Svartner. @Clariniie: Could you take a further look due to the different state of the article now? 08:50, 6 February 2025 (UTC)C679[reply]

  Regardless of whether those describe the person's career or not, transfer sources are considered routine coverage. Social media ones are user-generated and should never be used on Wikipedia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  They are not user-generated. There is a very limited number of people who have access to a club's Instagram profile. However, they are primary sources and do not contribute to notability. Furthermore, some "transfer sources" are in-depth and some (many) are not, no blanket statement can be made about transfer news - e.g. some sources use the transfer news opportunity to go into detail about the player's career, abilities, personality etc. At this point, anyway, the AFD can be closed in 20 hours after the normal elapsed time. Geschichte (talk) 11:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I kinda agree if secondary routine announcements go in-depth about the person's career! This is such a thing that comes to my mind. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. 1. Soccerway: stats N. 2. GloboEsport 1: passing mention N. 3. Futebol Interior: routine transfer announcement nearly identical to the club's press release N. 4. GE 2: routine transfer announcement also derived from PR N. 5. Press release from 3, N. 6. Marcou no esporte: reprint of press release, N. 7. GZH: routine interview, little secondary coverage N. 8. GZH: transfer announcement, slightly more material than usual but all of it is shallow stats, not secondary analysis N. JoelleJay (talk) 00:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The 8. source provides in-depth coverage of the player's entire career. The others complement practically all other remaining information. Excluding information that goes beyond the player's sporting career, there is nothing missing. Svartner (talk) 03:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – More complementary sources [66], [67], [68], [69]. Svartner (talk) 04:37, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  None of these sources provide any coverage of him beyond listing which teams he played for and other trivial info from press releases (and the last one is a football club). That is all info we could get from looking at his stats page, thus routine and primary. JoelleJay (talk) 23:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Per Svartner's current sourcing for notability. SuperSkaterDude45 (discusión) 04:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  As JoelleJay stated, none of the sources indicate significant coverage required for GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As several other users stated, some of the sources indicate significant coverage for GNG. One user stating an opinion does not invalidate other users stating their opinion. Frank Anchor 15:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I really understand the criticism that there won't be an article dissecting the entire life of a second-tier Brazilian football player, but all the information pertinent to his sporting career is covered by the sources. I think it's a matter of WP:COMMONSENSE. Svartner (talk) 13:06, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just because content is verifiable doesn't mean it warrants its own separate page. Basically nothing here goes beyond what you can find in a stats database. JoelleJay (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per references provided by Svatner and others. I reject JoelleJay’s characterization of ref 8 as shallow stats, not secondary analysis as it provides coverage of the subject’s career to that point, beyond simple stats. Some of the remaining sources can be pieced together to get this past the GNG finish line. Per WP:NBIO, if the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Frank Anchor 15:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Ref 8 says Fernando was signed by Caxias in November last year . Before that, he played for Figueirense, Grêmio Barueri, Criciúma, Moto Club, Luverdense, Deportivo Tepic, from Mexico, Itumbiara, Boa Esporte, Joinville, Brasil de Pelotas and Cascavel. This year, he played in 29 matches, 28 of which as a starter.

  In the Gaucho runner-up position , he played in 12 matches. In the Série D, he played in 17 matches. In fact, the defender was the team captain at various times this season.
  Literally nothing in there has any depth of coverage; it's all stats one could glean from his transfermarkt profile. Nothing whatsoever useful for a biography. JoelleJay (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Anchor is somehow correct. As long as the routine story provides more details about a specific than announcement, it can be used, but multiple sources containing significant coverage are required. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see several sentences with more-than-routine details of Fonseca's career. In addition, the requirement of multiple GNG-required sources can be circumvented by pieceing together information presented in other sources, as specifically allowed by WP:NBIO (see my comment above including relevant excerpt from that guideline). Frank Anchor 14:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

? Where is that in the guidelines? Merely having additional details does not make something automatically SIGCOV, especially if it's simple prosifying of stats. This also really isn't "more details" than you get in routine coverage of announcements (which is explicitly listed in NOTNEWS). JoelleJay (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You left out the rest of the sentence you quoted from NBIO: trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. None of the other independent sources offer more than passing mentions. JoelleJay (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I left that out because it is not relevant here. The info surrounding transfer announcements (which are NOT primary in most cases as they are derived from and are not exact copies of the press release), along with some coverage provided by Svartner add a few sentences here-and-there of non-trivial coverage which compliments Ref 8 which was called out above. Frank Anchor 17:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is most certainly relevant here... WP:N says It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. Several journals simultaneously publishing different articles does not always constitute multiple works, especially when the authors are relying on the same sources, and merely restating the same information. The info in the transfer announcements, in addition to being routine (For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage and Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; for example [...] announcements columns [...] are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources), is coming directly from the press releases. What little there is about him that isn't in PR is trivial. JoelleJay (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Meets WP:N, WP:SIGCOV, and WP:HEY. Z. Patterson (talk) 03:05, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I get the sense that JoelleJay's critical source analysis was not adequately refuted. Relisting in the hope of getting another experienced editor to analyze those sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 14:51, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]