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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 03:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Layng Martine, Jr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Some notable songwriting credits, but absolutely no reliable sources. Only source is his own website. No hits in Google News or Books, only lyrics directories found in Google search. Seems to fail the notability guidelines due to lack of sources. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per WP:MUSIC, he passes as a songwriter having been the writer for several songs that have charted. The lack of sources has been identified in the article with an {{unref}} tag but sources are very likely available. A quick search turns up this. I'm sure more can be found. -- Whpq (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Not all songwriters who have written notable hits are notable. Especially if no non-trivial sources can be found — and that source only covers "Way Down", just one of the songs he wrote. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:MUSIC establishes that songwriters of notable compositions meet the criteria. This guy has written at least one which I have provided a source for. So I would argue that alone is sufficient. However, the article lists other charting songs that he has written. All that needs to happen is get references for that. The article is very new being created in November 2008. And tagged for references a couple of weeks later, so time needs to be allowed for references to be added. BTW, the backlog of unreferenced articles stretch all the way back to August 2006. -- Whpq (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Have a look at the results from this google book search. [1]. Unfortunately, they aren't available with online preview but the snippets of text displayed from books such as The Great Song Thesaurus clearly show the assignment of the writing credit. And the fact that the song is listed in a compendium of "great songs" indicates that the composition is notable. -- Whpq (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, the song is notable, but there's NOTHING to say about Layng besides "He wrote such and such song". Do you really think that's enough? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 19:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, that is enough. That's why we have stub templates so other editors can add to the article. How can we expect to collaboratively expand an article if we kill off viable stubs? The fact that I haven't expanded this article beyond a stub is not relevant to whether it is kept. What is relevant is notability and that has been established. -- Whpq (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as per Whpq. Multiple charting songs, references exist, clearly notable. Edward321 (talk) 02:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As well as the reasons given above he co-wrote a grammy nominated song. [2] Phil Bridger (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – A Grammy-nominated songwriter. Please let's not remove viable stubs from the encyclopedia. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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