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Onions!

The Onion Belt, more formally known as the Chicago & Wabash Valley Railroad (C&WV), was a private railroad in Lake County and Jasper County owned and built by Benjamin J. Gifford for transporting crops, including the onions for which it is informally named, and livestock from his 34,000 acres (14,000 ha) farmholdings in north-western Indiana.[1][2]

"The Swamp King" of the "Big Swamp Farm"

Yellow Globe Danvers onions as advertised in an 1897 seed catalogue from Huntingdon and Paige in Indianpolis

Gifford, who came from in Kankakee, Illinois,[3] started purchasing what was originally marsh land in July 1891, dredging channels for drainage and then leasing it out to tenant farmers, and decided to build his own railroad, using only his own money, for the crops that were grown by them.[1] In addition to his lands in Indiana, he also owned 3,000 acres (1,200 ha) around Kankakee.[4]

In the first five years of dredging with a steam dredge he dug 75 miles (121 km) of main line ditches, ranging from 6 to 12 feet (1.8 to 3.7 m) deep and 15 to 20 feet (4.6 to 6.1 m) wide, crossed by several hundred miles more of tile drains; and he had 250 tenants producing over 1,000,000 bushels of corn and 400,000 bushels of onions in 1898.[4] In 1899 he was farming 500 acres (200 ha) of his own at Pinkamunk marsh and projecting 250,000 bushels of onions that year, planting Yellow Danvers at 4 pounds per acre (4.5 kg/ha) of seed.[3] He had gained the nickname "The Swamp King".[3]

Development of the railway

The C&WV began on 1898-08-10 and connected to the "Old Coal Road" (the Chicago, Attica and Southern Railroad) at Zadoc.[1] By 1899-07-01 it already stretched 10 miles (16 km) south to Comer station (near Lewiston).[1] This grew by 1900 to track going from Kersey, 3.5 miles (5.6 km) north of Zadoc, to Pleasant Grove, and then by 1901 further south to connect with the Monon Railroad at McCoysburg.[1]

When a steel foundry developed at Gary, Gifford changed his ideas and decided upon Gary as the line's intended northernmost destination, as a way to transport coal north from the Old Coal Road to Gary.[5] Dinwiddie[1], named after a local family in Lake County[a][6] was reached by 1906, but the C&WV never quite reached Gary, being 11 miles (18 km) short of it when construction stopped in 1912.[7]

Gifford died in 1913, and his railroad vanished with his death, the stocks and bonds being sold by his estate to the Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville Railway and the Monon Railroad taking charge of the railway on 1914-03-15.[7] Monon finally abandonded the line in 1935.[2]

Asphaltum and the Old Field Branch

Asphaltum, later renamed Crescent, was the terminus of the C&WV's only, and short lived, branch line, the Old Field Branch running from Gifford station (named after Benjamin Gifford, who founded a village there in 1899[8]) to an oil field in Jasper County.[1] Although it had 100 wells in 1900, the oil drilling had dried up by 1904; the refinery closing that September, a mere 1 year after the branch line had been completed.[1] Asphaltum's post office lasted from 1901-08-23 to 1904-09-15.[9]

Other stops

In addition to the aforementioned, stops on the line included Laura[1], which flourished as a small village from 1897 with a post office of that name from 1902-05-03 until 1913-09-15[10]; ; Kersey[1], named after a local family and also having a post office from 1900-05-25 until 1955-02-28[11]; Moody[1], named after Granville Moody in 1893 and served by the Pleasant Grove station's post office;[12] and Randle[1].

Lewiston[1] was platted on 1901-09-09 by Gifford himself.[13] Pleasant Grove post office had been established on 1842-11-11, and was renamed to Moody on 1914-07-23, finally closing on 1923-07-14.[12]

Footnotes

  1. ^ Farmer Oscar Dinwiddie was the son of J. W. Dinwiddie; and William Dinwiddie was a local physician.[6]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m Sulzer 1998, p. 34.
  2. ^ a b Cavinder 1985, pp. 164–165.
  3. ^ a b c Mendenhall 1899, p. 11.
  4. ^ a b TDJ 1899, p. 68.
  5. ^ Hilton 1978, p. 119.
  6. ^ a b Baker 1995, p. 114, Dinwiddie.
  7. ^ a b Sulzer 1998, p. 37.
  8. ^ Baker 1995, p. 144, Gifford.
  9. ^ Baker 1995, p. 55, Asphaltum.
  10. ^ Baker 1995, p. 193, Laura.
  11. ^ Baker 1995, p. 184, Kersey.
  12. ^ a b Baker 1995, p. 226, Moody.
  13. ^ Baker 1995, p. 196, Lewiston.

Bibliography

  • "An Immense Swamp Farm". The Drainage Journal. 21 (3). Indianapolis, Indiana: J. J. W. Billingsley: 67 et seq. March 1899.
  • Sulzer, Elmer Griffith (1998). "The Old Coal Road". Ghost Railroads of Indiana. Indiana University Press. ISBN 9780253334831.
  • Baker, Ronald L. (October 1995). From Needmore to Prosperity: Hoosier Place Names in Folklore and History. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-32866-3. (From Needmore to Prosperity: Hoosier Place Names in Folklore and History at the Internet Archive)
  • Cavinder, Fred D. (1985). The Indiana Book of Records, Firsts, and Fascinating Facts. Indiana University Press. ISBN 9780253283207. ([1] at the Internet Archive)
  • Hilton, George Woodman (1978). Monon Route (2nd ed.). Howell-North Books. ISBN 9780831071158.
  • Mendenhall, E.G., ed. (June 1899). "A Big Onion Investment". Our Horticultural Visitor. Vol. 5, no. 6. Kimmundy and Benton Harbour. p. 11.

Further reading

  • "A Big Swamp Farm". The Drainage Journal. 22. Indianapolis, Indiana: J. J. W. Billingsley: 240 et seq. 1900.
  • Taylor, Robert M. (1989). "Monticello". Indiana: A New Historical Guide. American Civilization. Indiana Historical Society. pp. 516–517. ISBN 9780871950499.
  • Lewis, E. I. "An example for capitalists". Land Draininge Profit. Indianapolis: The Drainage Journal. pp. 9–13. (Land drainage profit at the HathiTrust Digital Library)
  • "Gifford, The Swamp King". Rensselaer Semi-Weekly Republican. Vol. 20, no. 24. Rensselaer. 1898-11-25.
  • Ball, Timothy Horton (1900). "Draining Marshes". Northwestern Indiana from 1800 to 1900, Or, a View of Our Region Through the Nineteenth Century. Higginson Book Company. pp. 439 et seq.
  • Johnson, Vic (2000-04-09). "Benjamin J. Gifford, capitalist, land baron and 'swamp king'". The Sunday Journal.
This submission here at Articles for Creation is dedicated to The Onion Lady and The Mango. You can help Doktoro by finding out more about railway onions.

From Laura, Indiana (AfD discussion) and Moody, Indiana (AfD discussion) and Lewiston, Indiana (AfD discussion).

This is what happens when one reads books from Indiana, Doktoro. Be warned!

Also, those Indiananians have no trouble letting their University Press publish trivia books, Doktoro.

Uncle G (talk) 04:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • But those are shallots? I don't mind reading a book from Indiana. I can't remember his name now--former MfA professor at Alabama, lovely head of hair, he was from there and put out a book on it. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have found some Yellow Danvers just for you, Doktoro. But the sheer effrontery of the IUP! They've let a journalist write a book. Of fascinating facts. That one could ask people whether they knew. A journalist! Writing facts! When there are English professors begging on the streets, who would write a whole sonnet for US$10‽ That's just not right. Uncle G (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you're thinking, Doktoro. In order to get the old English Professor Vacuum sucking as hard as it can, rather than write some dreary recitation-of-facts hook like I suggested at User talk:Mangoe#Onions! we should write it like an English professor would, in some really fancy literary form. I'll start you off: Did you know that …

A swamp farmer with lots of onions[1]
sought to not get terrible bunions.
He dug lots of drains[2]
and made private trains;[3]
…
to escape from the quick running grunions. (by talk page watcher)
Geoff | Who, me? 22:14, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Uncle G (talk) 20:55, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Mendenhall 1899, p. 11.
  2. ^ TDJ 1899, p. 68.
  3. ^ Cavinder 1985, pp. 164–165.

KITT

Uncle, I assume you'll be all over Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kitt, Indiana? Drmies (talk) 03:14, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Talking of invented geography, Doktoro: The creators of {{mountain passes in Europe}} have quite an optimistic outlook for the prospect of a list of mountain passes in the Netherlands. They're probably on hallucinogens for redlinking Malta. We shall not mention Belgium. Uncle G (talk) 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

French doctors in the U.S.A.

I kept coming across de Colange's name whilst citing sources for our current peregrinations around Indiana being led by The Mango to places like Jay City, Indiana (AfD discussion) and by you to Kitt, Indiana (AfD discussion), but oddly xe seemed to have been published in the U.S.A. and in Europe. The London-published gazetteer of the U.S.A. seemed particularly odd. It turns out that there's an 1880 biography of Auguste Leo de Colange LL.D. that explains this.

Did you know that xe was a French lawyer who became a botanist after marrying into money, and only got into the encyclopaedia and gazetteer game after xe lost all of xyr money speculating in the stock market in xyr 40s? And that xe wrote one poem?

Uncle G (talk) 07:02, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Duyckinck, Evert Augustus; Duyckinck, George Long (1880). "Auguste Leo de Colange". In Simons, Michael Laird (ed.). Cyclopædia of American Literature. Vol. 2. Philadelphia: William Rutter. pp. 866–867. (Cyclopædia of American Literature at the Internet Archive)

IP sock and new ID

HI, it is regarding the IP you blocked yesterday. They are back with another IP and a new ID. Similar style of edits [2] [3] [4] [5]. Have a look. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another one [6]. Similar diffs [7] [8] [9]. Have a look. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A better message to send

You, Drmies, are the most RESPECTABLE and GREATEST specimen of humankind (if not even higher) that I have ever encountered at Wikipedia. And that is certainly saying something as there is an abundance of candidates for that accolade. How you can continue to strut about on this site so selflessly and obliviously unaware of your own humility is beyond me. It is truly astonishing that you've been getting away with this for so long with no one commending you. I sincerely hope you take the time to reflect on what you are, as you are certainly liked BY EVERYONE. Yours sincerely, ~~~~

(Enjoy the love letter. Still can't top Bgsu98's one though.)

The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 16:51, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • FUCK YEAH
When your fan writes you've been getting away with this for so long with noone bringing you to task, I wonder if the reference is to Peter Noone. That would be cool. Cullen328 (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Profundity Barnstar
Verbosity is the enemy of clarity. [10] Words of wisdom. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clocks Ceiling fans and more

Hi Drmies, nope, not trying to sell you a clock or ceiling fan or more, rather requesting a block for Clocks Ceiling fans and more (shouldn't it be Clocks, Ceiling fans and more!). You reverted them about a week ago for adding problematic content to Ceiling fan. Since then they have continued to add unsourced trivial content and have received several warnings but have continued and the last thing that article needs is even more unsourced trivial content. S0091 (talk) 22:11, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OMG - could this be the return of David Beals???-- Ponyobons mots 22:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good god Ponyo, haha yes, maybe. Drmies (talk) 22:34, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been here far too long.-- Ponyobons mots 22:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you have. Please stay. OK, not him, I don't think--but look in my log to see what else is there. ;) Drmies (talk) 22:46, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your close RE Riventree

I think consensus for a TBAN was pretty clear. Would you mind taking a look again or reopening for another admin to close? voorts (talk/contributions) 18:00, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. This is the aforesaid Riventree. I'm back from a vacation, and I find I am indefinitely blocked, without an opportunity to even APPEAL it for six months?!?
  1. I've never edited a relevant article on such a topic, nor added such content
  2. It seems that the "violation" that brought this on was the (indirect!) implication that feminism can be seen as political. I know that this decision was taken in the heat of the moment, but an indefinite topic ban on gender/sexuality based on my opinion that this COULD draw the ire of politically loose screws in the US seems a little steep. I know that voorts/Andy has little love for me, but perhaps cooler heads could reconsider? My only desire was to steer the Wikipedia I know and love from the bizarrely twisted eddies of US politics, not to strike a blow for (or against!) feminism myself.

Not that an indefinite topic ban on THIS TOPIC would affect me all that much (See mmy contributions for proof) but it's the principle (and the thinking) behind it.

Anyway, I would appreciate your thoughts. Riventree (talk) 23:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no personal opinion about you. I accepted your apology and said that it was okay to lift the indefinite block. As for the topic bans, there was evidence presented in the discussion that, on this and on past occasions, you acted rudely and aggressively toward other editors when you were challenged for making disruptive politicized edits to various articles. You are free to have whatever political opinions you wish. You are not free to ignore WP:NPOV and try impose them on our readers and other editors. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:44, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Riventree, I don't think I've ever run into you and I had no part in the discussion, but there was a clear community consensus, which took over a week to develop. I'm only now looking at your edits (my job was merely to confirm whether there was a consensus for this or that measure), and on Talk:Retelling, if I had seen those edits when they happened I would have probably blocked you on the spot for them. I think you should count yourself lucky that there was no consensus for an indefinite block. You are welcome to try and get the ban lifted earlier (on WP:AN), but it is unlikely to succeed. Drmies (talk) 03:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Just wanted to reach out. Thanks Drmies Riventree (talk) 06:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another user with trivial, useless edits; not sure if a warning is necessary yet

Hey Drmies, this uncomfirmed user (2A06:5902:3418:D300:B579:8070:ADD5:964A) is making similar trivial, useless edits as someone you blocked recently (92.71.60.61). I'm not sure if a block is warranted yet but maybe a warning? Thanks for any help or suggestions you can offer. Ksu6500 (talk) 05:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some baklava for you!

Thank you for helping with the recent vandal! FarmerUpbeat (talk) 02:03, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification about knight of faith

Just wanted to let you know that an editor contested this WP:BLAR. I think BLAR'ing was the right call and the edit summary the reverter used misleadingly claimed the BLAR was "vandalism", but I wasn't comfortable about bringing this all the way back to a redirect because I felt I was missing some context, behind a potential WP:GOCE task that this article seems to have been affected by, and wanted to send a secondary message here to inform you that this occurred. The BLAR reversion was done manually so I don't think a notification was sent when it happened on the 10th, but I could be wrong. Cheers! Utopes (talk / cont) 03:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Garff has it on pages 261–263. Simply going by how many more pages there are in the index for at least two "knight of faith" sub-entries, Hanson 2017 seems a good bet as a source. Hey! IUP again, Doktoro. It isn't half getting around at the moment. Although they do appear to have let some phenomenal cat from Harvard write this book.

    Uncle G (talk) 07:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hanson, Jeffrey (2017). Kierkegaard and the Life of Faith: The Aesthetic, the Ethical, and the Religious in Fear and Trembling. Indiana Series in the Philosophy of Religion. Indiana University Press. ISBN 9780253025029.

You and Utopes owe me for protecting you from more of 11614soup's long original analysis rambles about Kierkegaard, at Four Upbuilding Discourses, 1843 (AfD discussion). I picked up a Kierkegaard commentary, but I think that the 5 second rule applies. Uncle G (talk) 04:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

      • That was a fine piece of work, Uncle. Are you on payroll yet? With our $50 million dedicated to diversity, surely you can have a crumb of that pie for working on these underdeveloped articles. Note to reader: humor involved. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Can you unblock Assistantbvdk please? It is a follow-up from User_talk:Drmies#Above_average_section_header. They created a new account (Assistanttobvdk), because they don't understand the rules, but they appear to be editing in good faith and I am willing to keep an eye on it.

The reason I ask you to unblock Assistantbvdk is so that their new account Assistanttobvdk won't be blocked as a block-evading sock. Thank you! Polygnotus (talk) 07:37, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: since Assistantbvdk was blocked for a WP:USERNAME violation (I assume because it could be considered a WP:ROLE account) and was allegedly used by someone other than its creator (WP:COMPROMISED) perhaps it would be best to ask them to create a new account, and have them use editrequests instead of directly editing the page? I am not sure what the best way forward is. Polygnotus (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm sorry, but I don't understand. It seems to me that the best way is to block the new account and start things back up from the old account, were it not for Yamla's note. I cannot see what Yamla saw anymore, unfortunately, so I am going to leave it up to them. Drmies (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think they should create a new account. I would not view that as block evasion. However, I would expect they continue to avoid editing Bessel van der Kolk directly (suggested edits on the article talk page would be a really bad idea, but permissible so long as there's zero hint of further whitewashing) and would expect them to declare their conflict of interest prior to editing. --Yamla (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks Yamla. Will you block the new account? And really on the first account, that partial block should be a full block then. I wouldn't ask you to look into this if it weren't for that note. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yamla: and @Drmies. Drmies, have you forgotten this? I was kinda hoping you guys be a bit more flexible. Don't block any accounts; like I said it is a goodfaith user who is willing to follow the rules. Do you not see how badly we are treating newbies? First we falsely accuse the dude's boss of something he didn't do, and block those who try to fix the problem, and then we demand that they jump through hoops. zero hint of further whitewashing removing a false accusation is not whitewashing. Talk:Bessel_van_der_Kolk#"Female_employees" Polygnotus (talk) 17:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Polygnotus, I'm sorry, but I don't really get what you're asking for. First of all, in an ordinary situation, User talk:Assistantbvdk would have responded to Yamla's declining the unblock request by addressing the matter at hand--first of all the username, of course, but then there is the matter of COMPROMISED: someone created an account with a role name and then edited without taking into account the COI. Yamla says the account is compromised, and Assistantbvdk, having read Yamla's commentary, could have created an account whose username is appropriate, and declared their COI properly--and no one would have batted an eye. Instead they create User:Assistanttobvdk, and they do the COI stuff, but it's still an unacceptable username. You're asking me now to NOT block that account, which I haven't, and you're taking me to task, it seems, over a judgment on article content, but none of that matters: isn't the most simple solution for Assistanttobvdk to just request a name change? I mean, I haven't even talked to Assistanttobvdk, let alone blocked them, so how am I mistreating a newbie? The only thing that might stand in the way of this simple solution is if Yamla has any more reason to wonder if the Assistanttobvdk is compromised too; personally I don't think it is, but that's really for a CU to decide. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I was unclear. I am not saying you are mistreating anyone, but Wikipedia ("we") are.
Most people on this planet are not geniuses and do not have decades of experience living online, which means that their experience differs from ours.
I don't RTFM, I usually jump in and learn by failing.
Wikipedia has all these rules that people are unaware of, and we should be a bit flexible in how we deal with that.
In my experience newbies can't reliably locate their talkpage. And they don't see everything that happens on there.
Blocking their second account, despite the fact that they've stated they're acting in good faith, may be frustrating for them.
That is why I was asking Yamla to not block them.
Instead, we can just leave a friendly message explaining why they should make a new account (requesting a username change is also a possibility, but I wouldn't recommend that route). Then we can guide them through the process of declaring their COI again.
I think this feels more welcoming than another "You've been blocked. Goodbye"-style message. If someone is willing to follow the rules, we can just ask them to make an account instead of forcing them to (by blocking them).
Hope that this is more clear, Polygnotus (talk) 18:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I find this all a bit hard to follow. I'll be as brief and clear as I can. I believe Assistantbvdk's account should be fully blocked, but allowing account creation. I can do so, but I'm not sure that's helpful. Assistantbvdk is welcome to create a new account. That new account must declare their conflict of interest, must refrain from directly editing the exact page, Bessel van der Kolk, and must note they used to edit as Assistantbvdk (as per WP:SOCK). I'm happy to help them format their declaration (most new users do this incorrectly). Lots more to say, but I think briefer is better right now. --Yamla (talk) 19:06, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you want me to I can make a timeline but it is rather boring, and I don't think I can tell you anything that you can't figure out without my help. Polygnotus (talk) 21:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yamla: briefer is better The shortest version I can give you: Wikipedia contained a serious BLPVIO, people showed up to remove it, vandalfighters editwarred and put it back which was an honest mistake. I removed the BLPVIO which ended the editwar. Now we have a good-faith user who is unfamiliar with Wikipedia but willing to learn and follow the rules. Their previous account got blocked from the article for undisclosed COI editing, but I think that block can be lifted because they learned from their mistakes. I will keep an eye on the article. I am clearly not paid by the BLP subject, and I can help the user and revert when necessary. If it turns out that I am too optimistic, and a block is necessary, then I will be the first to request a block. Polygnotus (talk) 21:50, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Polygnotus, if you'd like to relay that message to the user or if you'd like me to do so, let us know. --Yamla (talk) 19:11, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll leave them a message. Polygnotus (talk) 21:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Range block

Mate, me again pestering you...

remember the IP range you blocked because of their shenanigans (i guess i can say that, but not "punk" or "lousy vandal" in spite of many people being just and nothing more than that!) at Francisco Geraldes (in January 2024 if memory serves me, with the aid of the edit history of course)? Time to hand out a punishment again i feel (new address here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/138.75.67.186).

And now that Mr. Geraldes has finished a loan and returned to Johor Darul Ta'zim F.C. (the club this utter nuisance supports), chances are (highly) they'll start "contributing" there too! For starters, check out what they did at Jonathan Viera (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonathan_Viera&diff=prev&oldid=1274250502) and Álvaro González (footballer, born 1990) (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%81lvaro_Gonz%C3%A1lez_(footballer,_born_1990)&diff=prev&oldid=1274250438), REFERENCES removed without one word!!

Attentively, continue the good work RevampedEditor (talk) 17:23, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • OK--how about this. Here, write an edit summary, saying "unverified" (and maybe leave out the "vandal" in the next one), and simply slap a preformatted warning on their talk page: Template:Uw-unsourced2 or whatever number is appropriate. Also, I don't know what the range is--a subset of this one, no doubt, but /18 is probably too broad. And I looked at Francisco Geraldes but I don't know which IP you're pointing at there (it's not 193.137.135.5, for instance), so I don't know. Dealing with editors like 138.75.67.186 is really simple, actually: you reverted them on 6 February already, maybe earlier--if you had warned them then and continued to do so after subsequent infractions, they'd be blocked already with a simple report to [{WP:AIV]]. That saves all of us work and aggravation, and it would actually stop them sooner. Now, really I can warn them, but I can't really block them because I don't see an earlier block for that editor under a different IP. Go ahead and warn them, and just use the appropriate template rather than writing something up yourself, and put it in the edit summary as well--"unsourced", "improperly formatted", "not in accordance with guidelines", "unexplained", etc. Drmies (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SuperMarioZaki1

I apologise if anything bad has happened with that user which caused him to have that meltdown. The reason why is because Zaki legitimately dislikes me is for reasons that don't resolve around Wikipedia. It namely resolves around that "The LazyTown Movie" project he tried to make a page on. I'd be honest, when I was removing the false information he added in about an anime series he likes; I had a feeling he would have gotten angry about it. Luigitehplumber (talk) 22:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ha, not your fault. I look at this as any administrator would: they make a series of unexplained reverts and start insulting editors, they are warned, they continue, they are blocked. I don't exactly understand what it was that they posted, but it wasn't good, and they owe all this to nobody but themselves. I long ago stopped trying to explain the behavior who do such coarse things; maybe it was a fit of anger, maybe they're always like that--it's not up to me to guess and then maybe risk the safety of other editors on the project. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listen, I just saw you posted something on their talk page, User:LTPHarry--please don't do that. Drmies (talk) 23:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd be honest, I shouldn't have said what I wrote on his talk page anyway because it had nothing to do with his edits. It was out of shock that he used slurs to insult an admin (you, I think).
    So, the edits that SuperMarioZaki1 did resolved around a fan-dub he made of an anime he likes and claims it to be real, linking it as such. He believes himself to be much more famous than he is (his YouTube account even has an online store, even though he doesn't have many subscribers), because all he's really known for doing is making videos using the site Vyond and little else. And when it comes to a majority of people who have used that site, you know what I mean. Luigitehplumber (talk) 23:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bini (group)

Hi, thank you for acting as closer in this discussion. I note that the close is incomplete. Please see WP:RMCI, specifically WP:THREEOUTCOMES, and the step-by-step closing procedure. 162 etc. (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

LTA

Wikipedia talk:Help desk. I don't want to break 3RR on a proxy. Departure– (talk) 02:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GNIS "unincorporated community" bilgewater, bellywash, and bosh

It is important to know that this is not Jay City, Indiana, Doktoro, but more properly the bridge over the Wabash that separates it from the better documented New Corydon, Indiana. Visibly, there is not a city on this bridge.

It's the little things, Doktoro.

Main article: § Onions!

It is good to see you getting involved in the long tail of geographic lies that infest our encyclopaedia, Doktoro, even if I suspect that you are only here because you are scanning the reference work for dirty pictures.

However, I do think that your inestimable skills are better served approving the onion railway submission here at articles for creation so that people can redirect some of this litany of hokum, hogwash, and horse feathers to it. I'll read chapter 5 of the Arcadia Book on Clark County.

I just have a few not-in-the-Hendricks-county-history false "communities" in Jefferson County, Indiana left to triage.

Uncle G (talk) 11:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I know you're using me as an intermediary to clear your tracks (get it), but everyone can tell this is you: the sfn stuff (OK, I did that too, but just once or twice], the Flickr linkdump, the Further reading section--it's obvious. Thanks for the instructions too, very kind. Have fun with Clark County: I'll look it up after I get my car serviced at Dick's Garage. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I couldn't get that garage for you, Doktoro. Not even its own WWW site claims that that is where it is, ironically. But it does seem that there's a little to write about three short roads forming a 110 by 130 metres (120 by 140 yd) rectangle in the middle of fields.

      Mangoe would have been all over Melham, South Dakota, but I got there first. That one was harder. I am convinced that its coördinates are wrong, since every source that I have has it on the Great Northern Railway which is not where its coördinates lead, but unhelpfully (and the reason that Mangoe would have really enjoyed that one) there is (fortunately, verifiably) nothing remaining there, it being literally a pin in the middle of an open field, and it is not on any 20th century map at all since 1953.

      This is why you get the interesting AFC work like onion railroads written up by journalists in IUP books, Doktoro. There is such a long tail here.

      Uncle G (talk) 21:24, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be confused with Kurkureusu [kk] a village and KTZ railway station next to the river.

The Kurkureu-Suu (Куркуреу су on Soviet-era maps) is a river originating in the Kyrgyz Republic that is in the basin of the Talas river but that does not connect to it.[1] It is a transboundary river, shared administratively between the Kyrgyz Republic and Kazakhstan into which it flows.[1]

Hydrology

Course

The river forms in Kyrgyz mountains on the northern slopes of Talas Ala-Too, running down a gorge and through the Kara-Too ridge, to merge with a tributary of the Ters to form the Asa on the plains of Kazakhstan.[1] The Asa then runs north, turning westwards close to Taraz, to flow into Lake Bilyukol.[1]

Classification and measurements

It is a Tien Shan type of river, with its high water phase in March–September and low-water phase in October–February.[1] It is fed by ice-snow run-off from the mountains, and was catalogued by the Soviet Union in the 1970s as having a 3% glaciation area, i.e. 13.6 square kilometres (5.3 sq mi).[1]

Its annual discharge rate has risen since the 1970s soviet measurements, which were 6.19 cubic metres per second (219 cu ft/s) in the 1927–1972 period and are more recently 7.11 cubic metres per second (251 cu ft/s) in the 2001–2017 period.[2]

Administration

The original agreement covering the administration of the river was the Soviet-era Regulation on Water Sharing Between the Kazakh SSR and Kirgiz SSR for the Talas, Kurkureu-Su, and Aspara Rivers, enacted in 1942.[3] It controlled the share of the river between what were then Soviet republics.[3]

The river, the surrounding area, and Sheker were settings for the early works of Kyrgyz author Chinghiz Aitmatov.[4][5]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f Chontoev & Bazhanova 2021, p. 54.
  2. ^ Chontoev & Bazhanova 2021, pp. 54–55.
  3. ^ a b SLG 1967, p. 15.
  4. ^ Shalimov 1981, p. 24.
  5. ^ Lebedeva 1972, p. 24. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFLebedeva1972 (help)

Bibliography

  • Chontoev, Dogdurbek T.; Bazhanova, L. V. (2021). "Reactions and Dynamics of Drains on Small Transboundary Rivers with Various Feeding Types and the Effect on Climate Change". In Kulenbekov, Zheenbek E.; Asanov, Baktyiar D. (eds.). Water Resource Management in Central Asia and Afghanistan: Current and Future Environmental and Water Issues. Springer Nature. pp. 51–60. doi:10.1007/978-3-030-68337-5_6. ISBN 9783030683375.
  • Shalimov, Azamat (1981). "How a human being can be human". Soviet Life. Embassy of the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics in the USA. p. 24.
  • Советское государство и право [Soviet Law and Government] (in Russian). Vol. 6. International Arts and Sciences Press. 1967.
  • Lebedeva, Larisa Iosifovna (1972). повести Чингиза Айтматова [Tales by Chingiz Aitmatov] (in Russian). Moscow: Khudozh. lit. OL 19660955M.
In Soviet Union, Articles for Creation approve you, Dokotoro.

This is popular culture, Doktoro; Shalimov 1981, p. 24 tells me so. We can trust it to not be propaganda, right?

Uncle G (talk) 00:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Haha you found a name that I had found also, and it gave me a chuckle last night: click on Ters. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Onion Belt

Where did The Onion Belt go/come from? Is there also a talk page? Is this revision anything to do with it? Lithopsian (talk) 16:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the country's flag was red.

Larisa Iosifovna Lebedeva (Лебедева, Лариса Иосифовна) née Kandyba (Кандыба) was a Russian literary critic.[1]

Life

Born on 1928-02-29 in Moscow, Lebdeva graduated from Moscow State University in 1951.[1] She was a member of the Union of Soviet Writers from 1988, and member of the Union of Soviet Journalists [uk] from 1957.[1]

She worked at ЛГ magazine from 1954 to 1957, on ДН magazine from then until 1961, at the USSR Institute of linguistics from then until 1964, and at ХЛ from then until 1971. Her longest position was working for the Great Soviet Encyclopaedia from 1971 to 1991, from which she went on to work at Centrepolygraph [ru] in 1992, and finally for OLMA Press in 2000.[1]

Works

  • Lebedeva, Larisa Iosifovna (1972). повести Чингиза Айтматова [Tales by Chingiz Aitmatov] (in Russian). Moscow: Khudozh. lit. OL 19660955M.

References

  1. ^ a b c d GBE 2009.
Sources
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February music

story · music · places

Happy Valentine's Day! On the main page Edith Mathis, who portrayed young women by Mozart, the video of a 1993 interview has videos of her performances, - yesterday's story, and today's is related to that Valentin. - I saw my brother on stage, pictured in places, with food and flowers, - sharing with you! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I point at a composer today, as the main page does. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Penis saint … or geography of the Kyrgyz Republic ?

Ters
Geography
CountryKyrgyz Republic

Ters (Терс) is a mountain in the west of the Kyrgyz Republic, between the Ters and Chatkal rivers.[1] It is 30 kilometres (19 mi) long running roughly south-west to north-east, and between 13 and 15 kilometres (8.1 and 9.3 mi) wide.[1]

The Chaktal side slopes whereas the Ters side is the steeper, with a gorge-like valley.[1] The mountain is mostly crystalline granite, with intrusions of Carboniferous granite-diorite and granite-syenite rock.[1]

It is between 3,000 and 3,300 metres (3,300 and 3,600 yd) high, its highest point being 3,890 metres (4,250 yd).[1] Up to 2,300 metres (7,500 ft) it is covered in field and meadow steppe, meadow and forest bush above that to 2,800 metres (9,200 ft), and above that tall grass meadow and alpine meadow.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f Barataliev 2004, p. 71.
Sources
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Steatopygia

I'm thinking this needs protection. Also see [11]. Meat or sock puppetry I think. Doug Weller talk 10:42, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is Afriforum still on your watchlist?

Doug Weller talk 18:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cabins!

Further information: § Penis saint … or geography of the Kyrgyz Republic ?

This would have been within your bailiwick, Doktoro, as the GNIS mess has hit one of your interests; albeit in some far away place. However, I have taken it on for you, so that you have the spare time for turning penises into geography. Uncle G (talk) 09:07, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't know if there are cabins in that village. Translating those few sentences is nothing, but translating that infobox etc., that will take me forever, so I'll leave that to an expert. Thank you for clearing up Ters. I'll have a look at that saint--but you know, Clifford is actually really interesting. Oh, Friday I'm presenting at a conference on that Beauvoir Club, where you helped me out with some of the famous people. I actually went to the Country Club a week or two ago--I kind of felt like a white subaltern. Drmies (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ters" is really poorly attested, from what I've seen so far. I have asked Wouk for a copy of his article. Drmies (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peaches!

Very sensibly, the Alabarmians have prevented access to the Maplesville Depot by train, with a big fence.
See also: User talk:Drmies § Onions!, User talk:Drmies/Archive 146 § Beavers, and User talk:Drmies/Archive 123 § Some baklava for you!

Although I have found for you a picture book that has an entire chapter about this (and two other chapters with the titles "Peach Capital" and "Reconstruction County"), I want you to ignore that, Doktoro. Do not get distracted by pictures, peaches, or Reconstruction.

Instead, if you want to impress the Alabarmy youth and get more of that youth cred, there's a whole historic railway depot section missing from the article. The youth of today want to know how the youth of a century ago took the railroad to skool (unlike how you swam to skool, yourself, as the lurkers will remember you relating). You will know when you're at the right sources when you find Danno Williams.

Uncle G (talk) 08:38, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The The Town and The People book is by two United Daughters of the Whatsit, and one of the lurkers or someone else will have to find out what and where the Alabarmy State Library is and extract the page numbers from it, and see what it says about very dead people.

I have also left you with the Old Southern Depot source to use. Try to ignore the fact that it incorrectly connects to the wrong Cuba.

In the meantime, Doktoro, I have been reminded of your liking for quiet calming furniture subjects, bringing peace in world full of checkuserering and staring at your socks. It's not quite furniture, but one of the sources that I pulled up has a subject that we seem to be missing. I shall see whether I can find a second source.

Uncle G (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A question

Hi Drmies. I was just wondering if any run of the mill editor can remove a derogatory statement from another user page? The statement about Bagumba is uncalled for and there seems to be a history brewing with editors who don't agree with User:GOAT_Bones231012. Btw, we were both mentioned on his Wall of Shame not too long ago. Any words to prevent me from a future block are greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:59, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beware of the Haters and Wikipedia Mafia:

Completely unrelated to the above, please see below list of random users:

Drmies , SMcCandlish , Bringingthewood , Bagumba , GiantSnowman

No, thank you. If you want, you could paste my message on my talk page .. no need for you to keep this garbage. I'll keep a civil tongue if this comes back to me. I truly appreciate your help. Regards, John. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then again, maybe just a little more help, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:19, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was way out of control. I honestly want to know if I would have been blocked earlier, if I did such a thing. I've seen lesser crimes and editors are no longer here. At least three admins were listed on his page, that's a no-no in my book. Sorry if I raised your blood pressure with my messages, but I do appreciate everything that you did and are still doing. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I have two different medications for that so I'm good, I think. Yeah, we'll let this fester on for a little bit longer, it seems, but hey, at some point reason will prevail. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:57, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, sounds good. Thanks again. - Bringingthewood (talk) 22:17, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Bagumba! I'm presuming that you know that Kate DiCamillo turned Gilligan's Island into a minced oath in Flora and Ulysses. Someone must have mentioned it. I cannot be in the vanguard on this given that it's actually used as a punctuation example in teachers' guides to the book from 11 years ago. Doktoro is definitely not in the vanguard on these things, despite our collective, continued, and heroic efforts here to provide xem with youth cred. So there's going to be a whole generation of the youth of today, of a certain school age, before they learn the real words. On the other hand, you can claim to be holy, and {{cite YouTube}} as your source if anyone challenges that. ☺

Now, I have to get back to Marshall Fields and what to do about the Vida Lumber Company, a calming pre-furniture subject for Doktoro.

Uncle G (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Bloody Tebbel has me pluralizing Field's surname. But I have finally got there. I thought of the furniture-inspired calmness that you would feel, Doktoro, seeing me cite American Cabinetmaker and Upholsterer. Uncle G (talk) 11:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Deli

Hey! I saw your contributions to Jewish deli, looking good! I did notice however that you completely removed a section I wrote Next time talk to the person on their talk page, especially if it's a large edit. Thanks! Vestrix (talk) 23:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies
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