Talk:Kiki Wong

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wong at a 2024 Smashing Pumpkins show with Green Day
Wong at a 2024 Smashing Pumpkins show with Green Day
  • Source: NME, June 2024: "Kiki Wong, the new guitarist in The Smashing Pumpkins, has spoken about the “mind-blowing” experience of playing her first shows with the band over the last week. [...] Among her claims to fame is playing drums for Taylor Swift's performance of "Shake It Off" at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards."
Created by Jonathan Deamer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: Unknown
Overall: Nice work! The pic especially is a great find. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]



Some comments

A few quick comments, I don't have time to offer a full GA review.

  • For purposes of verifiability, it isn't really helpful to have all the citations at the end of a paragraph. For instance, the para beginning Wong says she has played piano since she was six, has 5 cites in a row. It is hard to then track down what supports what. Which cites support which sentences? it is helpful, within reason, to split them up or just remove excess ones.
  • a range gigs is this missing "of"?
  • Not a big thing, but it is generally preferable to have citations in numerical order (ascending)
  • Per WP:BLPNAME I don't think that we should name the child
  • What is a "metal-leaning" guitar?
  • The career section would benefit from breaking up in sections.
  • All information in the lead and infobox should ideally be mentioned and cited in the article body, right now it looks like birth date and name aren't
  • Be prepared to defend the use of WP:LINKEDIN. Can you authenticate that it is actually hers? It would be preferable to replace with a secondary source where possible, and I know that at least one claim, her undergraduate degree, can be cited elsewhere (in this case, CBS).

Hopefully this is helpful while you are waiting for a full review! Eddie891 Talk Work 09:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I missed this comment, thanks! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've now addressed all of these:. Notes:
  • Generally improved source text integrity and the most egregious examples of many cites in a row
  • Sections in "career" - improvements to subheading text welcome
  • Very fair point RE: LinkedIn; the only things it was used to verify were her birth name and number of years in Nylon Pink, which aren't essential
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for the input @Eddie891, much appreciated. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

Passed. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 20:23, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kiki Wong/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Jonathan Deamer (talk · contribs) 10:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Alachuckthebuck (talk · contribs) 21:22, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. prose is clear, albeit a bit light on information outside of her audition and joining smashing pumpkins.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. meets all applicable MOS policies.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). source 13 doesn't exist, and source 11 goes to a scam CAPTCHA. I reviewed all sources used in the article. All links work.
2c. it contains no original research. everything has a source.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Earwig came back clean, with the only match being direct quotation.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Covers the important parts of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Quickly hits the key points, but a bit more detail would be appreciated.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Article doesn't have a position, which makes sense for a relatively simple biography.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. no edit wars, last 5 contribs go back 3 months, I'd call it stable.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. The file passed license review on commons, and is under CC-BY 2.0
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. The one image is relevant, but could use some alt text (I don't know if the infobox supports it though.)
7. Overall assessment.

@Jonathan Deamer: courtesy ping so you have a chance to fix the problems I found. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 17:45, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks @Alachuckthebuck. I've fixed with archive links the source issues above (yikes, have never seen a scam captcha that directs you to enter dubious terminal commands before!).
I note you've kindly passed criteria 1, but I'll nonetheless see if there's anything I can do to address your comment RE: "a bit light on information outside of her audition and joining smashing pumpkins". Please do point out if you noticed anything in particular that could be added! My suspicion is that the sources simply aren't there. I'll follow up here. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing those references. Give me a ping when you're done (I had a hunch that might be the case about anything that doesn't have to do with her joining smashing pumpkins) and I'll take another look. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 18:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After some further due diligence, I do think everything non-trivial and well-sourced from her pre-Pumpkins career is included.
FWIW, I have:
  • done a quick review of all existing sources for additional info
  • done a more thorough re-read of the two key existing sources on this era (1, 2)
  • reviewed Google News for articles published since my last major edit to this article
  • re-reviewed Wong's non-RS LinkedIn page and personal website for suggestions of areas for further investigation
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alachuckthebuck Ping :) Any further feedback most welcome. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, and thanks for adding the alt text for the image! My final points are adding a short description and possibly moving/refactoring the last sentence in the lede so it doesn't seem out of place. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 20:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like {{Short description|American musician (born 1989)}} is already there - is that what you mean?
Have shortened the last bit of the lead and joined it to the previous paragraph, which I think flows better. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi I'm just supervising this review but thought I might jump in as Chuck has expressed wanting to learn some more about the GA process.
A small one is Wong has described having which should be "as having".
Another thing that I would take another look at is MOS:LAYOUT in regards to the section "Personal life". IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the second opinion, I'm going to wait for @Jonathan Deamer's response before taking any further action. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 15:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Wong has described having" is now addressed as part of shortening the last sentence of the lead, per above suggestion. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have refactored "personal life" and some details elsewhere into a section into a more coherent and chronological "early life" section, which I think addresses what you're suggesting @IntentionallyDense?
Am now actioning some feedback given outside of the GA review, and will ping when done. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Think I've now addressed everything outstanding. It's resulted in some changes to the flow of text in the body (early life and career section) which you may want to review. I'm ready for any further comments, @Alachuckthebuck and @IntentionallyDense. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Prose wise I have no concerns! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:27, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonathan Deamer, thanks for fixing those errors, I'm going to pass this. Well done! All the Best -- Chuck Talk 20:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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