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Icflix (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable. The service was available only for a short time but was unsuccessful and closed shortly after. It suddenly disappeared online without any further notice. It received temporary attention from some media outlets, which also faded quickly. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 06:47, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Per nom Gratefulking (talk) 07:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Siege of Samarkhel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Quite the same rationale as of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First Siege of Samarkhel: The article is possibly a WP:HOAX, with no sign of independent significant coverage and only passing mentions: The Mujahideen managed to seize Samarkhel village east of Jalalabad in the sources. Also it look likes it's a WP:SAMETYPEFORK. – Garuda ^Talk! 23:02, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! The Siege of Samarkhel is the original article before someone made the “First Siege of Samarkhel” article. They deleted the entire article to make it but I luckily reverted it. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources that mention the fighting in Samarkhel:

https://www.rebellionresearch.com/what-happened-in-the-battle-of-jalalabad

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/world/jalalabad-shows-its-recovery-as-siege-by-rebels-dwindles.html

However, this “siege” was part of the Battle of Jalalabad but I did not make this article. I don’t know whose idea was it to call it a “siege”. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 14:47, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: There doesn't seem to be much evidence for the seige, one of the sources only mentions that Samarkhel was seized ^[1]. Even if a seige did take place, it isn't notable enough for a standalone article. AlvaKedak (talk) 13:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Timtim76 (talk) 15:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not notable. Per nomination. Rubik's Cube 3x3 20:05, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. This would seem like a slam-dunk deletion but two editors who argued for Deletion are very inexperienced which makes me wonder how they turned up at this AFD. This situation causes me to relist this discussion to get more feedback from our experienced AFD regulars.
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• Delete: Going through the 14 sources currently on the article as I write this.

- [1] Appears to be LLM/AI generated based on the website, lack of sources, and lack of author. It also fails to mention a seige of Samarkhil (note the spelling difference) but does mention that the village was part of the defenses of Jalalabad (if we can trust what it says).

- [2] A reliable source about the Battle/Siege of Jalalabad that does mention Samarkhel in passing but it doesn't appear that there was any significant siege of that location.

- [3] Another reliable source talking about the siege of Jalalabad, no mention of Samarkhel.

- [4] Page 45 as the citation claims is about the year 1000 CE, so it is only 980 or so years off. The book does mention Jalalabad (unsure of full context though) with only a brief mention of Samarkhel.

- [5] Another solid looking book that mentions Samarkhel as a location but nothing about a siege.

- [6] same source as number [2]

- [7] no mention of Samarkhil or Samarkhel, only 2 results for Jalalabad.

- [8] This mentions Samarkhel as a frontline, but in the battle of Jalalabad, not its own siege.

- [9] Same source as [4], this time the page marked is the singular mention of Samakhel, but again it appears to be a brief mention, not its own topic.

- [10] mentions Samarkhel (Mountain) purely in relation to being near Jalalabad.

- [11] Unfortunately Google books doesn't have Search Inside for this one so No Comment.

- [12] Same as [1], just as bad now as it was then.

- [13] Someone with military history training might tell me if this is important? but as far as I can tell it just talks about Jalalabad.

- [14] Same as [8]

Overall I think this article was mistakenly created from the Siege/Battle of Jalalabad article and should be deleted. It doesn't appear as if there was any actual siege that occurred for this to even be worthy of a redirect to the main page instead. Moritoriko (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammed Tayea (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG requirements and Wikipedia:Notability (people). I searched online and could not find any verifiable references to demonstrate the notability of this person. A previous PROD had failed because it was said the individual was a member of the Egyptian parliament, however I could find no information to verify this. Coldupnorth (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I have searched every possible repository for sources and I am unable to find anything about this person. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 20:03, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohammed Amin Nezami (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A medical doctor with some self-published books, but seemingly no peer-reviewed research. Doesn't reach WP:NACADEMIC or WP:NAUTHOR. I've been unable to find them on Scopus; references seems to be mostly from connected sources. Klbrain (talk) 12:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Klbrain,

I`m currently working to add more reference for the Mr. Mohammad Amin Nezami, there are not only self-published book, there are 40+ publication, that can be found on https://www.allcancercare.com/publications.html

additionally if you look over these reference below, then this articles is very useful for the presence of Mr. Mohammad Amin Nezami

https://ascopubs.org/doi/pdf/10.1200/PO.19.00141 - Search "Mohammad Nizami", you`ll see his presence.

https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2018.36.15_suppl.12097 - Same

Research Publication: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328453409_Clinical_implications_of_epidermal_growth_factor_receptor_EGFR_epigenetic_modification_in_lung_cancer_proof_of_concept_for_dual_multitargeted_epigenetic_therapy_MTET_in_combination_with_egfr_inhibitor

ProInvenstor Reference: https://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/311761/sahel-oncology-using-technology-to-battle-aggressive-cancers-like-lung-and-ovarian-11761.html

You request for deletion is not liable according to me, if I`m missing something then I`m open for the discussion, Thank you. Ambrosebasil57 (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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WP:NPOV and WP:BLP violation, Wikipedia should not host indiscriminate lists of negative things about people Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 06:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad per WP:BLP. When merging remove the unreferenced text. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 14:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reza Fekri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not appear to meet WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG Hey man im josh (talk) 16:30, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with the points raised here: there exists just a citation to work webpage, and the fact that there is no Persian version of this page is a also a sign imo. Damghani 03:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete After a bit more searching on the web, did find a couple of news coverage about the subject, but after checking the contents still seems not enough to fulfill WP:NMUSICIAN, will leave the links here to check -

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/494738/Opera-singer-Reza-Fekri-to-hold-concert-master-classes-in-Iran

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/184559/Magnificent-Persian-songs-echo-in-Zagreb-concert-hall Villkomoses (talk) 07:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No evidence of notability. Madeleine (talk) 21:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Vaezi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A7/ The notability of the individual needs to be reassessed. The sources are not particularly relevant to the person and are merely news coverage. Persia ☘ 20:39, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Speedy Keep. The OP's nomination rationale is confused at best. WP:A7 is not a criterion of notability but of significance, hence not related to AfD. As for reasons cited, WP:NNC: "the notability guideline does not apply to the contents of articles" so the nomination is inadequate. But even if we pretend that we had an adequate nomination: Radio Farda cites the subject as "a prominent administrative figure at the Qom Seminary," responsible in forming the First and Second government of Hassan Rouhani. He's a member of the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution and Supreme Leader of Iran’s representative in the Islamic Students Associations in Europe. There are multiple other sources, from The Times, Mehr News Agency, and Tehran Times to name a few. [15] [16] [17] [18] Xpander (talk) 09:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Nalos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iranian112 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Waisey (Waisy, Karwan Salih (2015-07-15). "The Kurdish Peshmarga Force 1943-1975". Global Journal of Human-Social Science. 15 (D2): 27–46. ISSN 2249-460X.) listed as "Further reading" does not mention this engagement. I can also find no explicit mention of this battle in what I assume is Lortz - while not linked here, it appears to be Michael G. Lortz. "Chapter 1: Introduction: The Kurdish Warrior Tradition and the Importance of the Peshmerga" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2013-10-29. Retrieved 2014-10-16. as used in Iraqi–Kurdish conflict. There is a very brief mention in Eagletoh of a clash at Nalos in 16 March 1947 "On 16 March at Nalos the Barzarnis killed some twelve Iranian soldiers including one officer, and took five officers and sixty-eight soldiers prisoner" (p. 120). I cannot see sufficient coverage in the sources given to warrant an article.Nigel Ish (talk) 13:12, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete: Passing mention in sources, at best should be a mention in an article with a larger scope, but not really enough in the sources to help show notability. Ravensfire (talk) 01:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khoy Massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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After looking for suitable sources, I believe this event does not meet WP:NEVENT, despite the claim of 3,800 killed in one source. I cannot find even one source, including those cited, that deals with this event in depth (note there was a different massacre in Khoy in 1915). (t · c) buidhe 08:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Maryam Rostampour and Marziyeh Amirizadeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Please see the message on my talk page requesting deletion. Previous rationale for no consensus was that the subject(s) of this article wished the page to be split and not deleted; I think that the current comment on my talk page makes it clear that deletion is an option per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. GnocchiFan (talk) 08:27, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: Per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, the requirements for us to keep this article seem to be either proving greater-than-marginal notability or forming a clear consensus against deletion. While I can see the case for marginality regarding Rostampour, Amirizadeh's later activities suggest more significant and sustained notability. Not !voting right now, as the policy here is a tad contradictory with other policies (that's not a bad thing, as this allows us to address competing interests). ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment and a complex !vote. Like Pbritti I am a bit conflicted on the best outcome. In the last AfD I supported a merge to Evin Prison since I don't believe either is individually notable. (I guess I should have followed Owen's instructions to do a bold merge but I confess I didn't have it on my watchlist so didn't notice the close.) I think the best case would be to delete this page per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, since the case for the notability of these individuals as a pair is marginal, and redirect Marziyeh Amirizadeh, which currently redirects here, to Evin Prison to preserve the possibility of expansion of an article on the apparently more notable of the two. Since there is currently no redirect at Maryam Rostampour, this addresses the BLPREQUESTDELETE issue. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  PS I have added the AfD header template to the article page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  An alternative option, to preserve the page history, would be for any page mover to move this page to Marziyeh Amirizadeh without leaving a redirect, then redirect that title to Evin Prison. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:24, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Dear Voters, Thank you for considering our concerns regarding the shared Wikipedia page. At this time, I (Maryam) do not wish to have a separate Wikipedia page. I am open to either deleting the page or removing my name so that Ms. Amirizadeh, who appears to be more notable and eligible for a Wikipedia page, can use the article as her personal page. Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions. We greatly appreciate all your efforts in assisting us. MrostampourKeller (talk) 14:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hamid Amni (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails notability, he won some medals in amateur non-notable competitions. his biggest achievement is a bronze in Asian Indoor Martial Arts Games which is not much notable itself. googling his name in English doesn't give much about him. Sports2021 (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as per nom. Fails athlete notability and reads like a vanity page. Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mahmoud Vahidnia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The sources lack any indication of WP:GNG (significant coverage). Xpander (talk) 10:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: There are a few sources but they all seem to relate to one event, namely his criticism of Ali Khamenei as a student [19]. I'm not sure if that is important enough to mention on Ali Khamenei or 2009 Iranian presidential election protests or a similar article but if it is then a merge could be an alternative. Shapeyness (talk) 20:42, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails SIGCOV. Wikipedia is not news. Herinalian (talk) 19:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - There are several references related to a specific matter "Mahmoud Vahidnia’s 2009 criticism of Ayatollah Khamenei". So he may not meet WP:GNG. Mysecretgarden (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Operation Polar Tempest (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Like "Operation Purple Haze," the article cites no legitimate sources and a Google search gives no evidence for its existence. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 02:58, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. As with Operation Purple Haze, subject appears to be made up. A Google search of the subject yielded nothing. Madeleine (talk) 03:10, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not a hoax, just a copy of this military press release. The domain mnf-iraq.com was usurped by a spam site. Clearly not notable though. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:46, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Operation Purple Haze (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article cites no sources (except a spam site in Armenian). Searching up the topic reveals nothing, so the topic's existence, let alone notability, can not be verified. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Subject appears to be made up. A Google search of the subject yielded nothing. Madeleine (talk) 02:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I went through all the usual suspects (google news/books/scholar, bing, newspapers.com). I found two separate incidents known by that name [20][21] and um, well, it's safe to say neither of them have any passing similarity to the topic being discussed in this page. I also tried searching for any cache discoveries on the date in question during the Iraq War - I think possible the article is referencing this incident [22] but some of the details seem different and there is also no reference to haze of any color. Looks like a possible hoax. Zzz plant (talk) 03:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not a hoax. The body is just a copy of a military press release, no indication of notability: [23]. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:25, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Also the source that is cited, mnf-iraq.com, was the legitimate site of MNF-Iraq but it was usurped by the spam site. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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United Nations Security Council Resolution 1352 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Looking up the topic returns nothing but UN sources, so it may not be notable. Could it be merged into "International sanctions against Iraq" or "Oil-for-Food programme"? PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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AerianTur-M (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Per WP:GNG and WP:NORG – From what I've been able to find, none of the sources passed WP:SIRS since none of them contained any significant coverage of the airline itself and only contained more or less passing/trivial mentions of the airline. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:02, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of defunct airlines of Moldova in the absense of coverage to establish notability. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:35, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Lateef (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers, since subject fails WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Abid Ali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:34, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: The nominator did not provide a statement for this one, but I assume this was inadvertent, and the same basic rationale as their other recent nominations in this topic area applies here — a GNG/NSPORTS failure for lack of significant coverage that, at best, is reliant on non-notability-supporting routine coverage. (I don't generally provide any opinion in AfDs in this topic area, and will not provide one here either.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:09, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has been repaired, so I've struck to prevent confusion. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:49, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect to 2007 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2007 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq since subject lacks individual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: From a quick search I have identified a number of sources in Arabic coverage for this player, which I have added to the page. Considering this is a player who played in and won the 2007 AFC Asian Cup final which is one of the top honours in international football, it would have made much more sense to add a "Sources exist" or equivalent template to the page rather than nominating it for deletion. Hashim-afc (talk) 15:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Ahmed Tawfiq (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:31, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: he was not in that list. But he is now. Geschichte (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mustafa Ahmad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:30, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers' since subject lacks individual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hamza Adnan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers since subject distinctly lacks individual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jassim Mohammed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:07, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – Per GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 17:09, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Faisal Jassim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:06, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: From a quick search I have identified a number of sources in Arabic coverage for this player, which I have added to the page. Faisal Jassim is one of the most decorated players in the Iraqi league in recent years, one of the most talked about players of the 2023 Arab Club Champions Cup and even listed as a club legend by Al-Shorta SC a major club in Asia that just participated in 2024–25 AFC Champions League Elite. I do not particularly understand the logic behind such deletion nominations, it would be better to add a "Sources exist" template instead. Hashim-afc (talk) 16:07, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep – Per Hashim-afc reasons. The Arabic sources also present in the article seem to support the minimum for WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ammar Ahmad Hantoush (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of Iraq international footballers as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:00, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – Per GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 17:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Walid Khalid Afat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to 1996 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq as ATD. GiantSnowman 14:00, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – Per GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 17:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I suspect he's likely notable, given my success at finding sources for a similar nominated article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samir Abdul-Ridha. Would a relist be alright to give me a chance to look? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:41, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khaldoun Ibrahim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 23:26, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment – It is highly unlikely that a 2007 Asian champion player would not have WP:SIGCOV in Arabic sources. There is material about the Iraq title even in other languages. Svartner (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Sources? as per requirements indicated above. Cassiopeia talk 00:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment Really? Nothing is Mesopotamian Arabic or Farsi? I don't trust your nomination, I feel it's probably a bias one and I doubt you will even be able to find sources due to language barrier. With the multiple nomination you're doing. I will simply say Procedural keep because I don't trust your process. I am simply going to post on this one. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2007 AFC Asian Cup squads#Iraq. GiantSnowman 13:58, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I find no coverage for this athlete. There is likely some in the native-language media, but I am unable to search them... Happy to revisit if a native speaker can present some sourcing that would help. Oaktree b (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: From a quick search I have identified a number of sources in Arabic coverage for this player, which I have added to the page. Considering this is a player who has won the AFC Asian Cup in 2007 which is one of the top honours in international football, it would have made much more sense to add a "Sources exist" or equivalent template to the page rather than nominating it for deletion. Hashim-afc (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samir Abdul-Ridha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 20:58, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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*Redirect to Football at the 1986 Asian Games – Men's team squads#Iraq – As WP:ATD. If more sources appear, I will change my vote. Svartner (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Per BeanieFan11. Svartner (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I feel he's probably notable. The Arabic article notes that he "excelled" for his club and helped them win the top-tier Iraq championship and he "was among the best Iraqi goalkeepers of the 1980s," which is demonstrated by him being the team's goalkeeper at the Asian Games. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a story on him here – he later became goalkeepers coach for Al-Ramtha SC in Jordan. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a forum but someone there notes "I read an article in one of the electronic newspapers by brother Ali Al-Hasnawi, in which he narrates the history of the [goalkeeper] – The distinguished Iraqi Samir Abdul Redha, the national team goalkeeper in the eighties, and his journey that led him To train Benfica goalkeepers and supervise great goalkeepers such as the German Anka. He worked with Mourinho and Camacho, and before that, the Portuguese coach Vingada described him as 'the best coach.'" It includes a long snippet from the story but it seems it might be Adul-Ridha talking rather than a sportswriter – it does say that it is only a portion of the story though. He seems likely notable to me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:40, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Keep. This blog post about Adbul-Ridha contains photos of in-depth newspaper stories about him. It seems he was well-covered in Portuguese for being the first Iraqi in Portuguese football; he was known under the name "Samir Shaker" there and I found another story on him here. In addition to the Kooora post I mentioned above and the 1995 Al Riyadi newspaper I showed, this should be sufficient to keep given the circumstances (very poor access to the sources of the time). He seems to have been a star Iraqi goalkeeper and among their most prominent goalkeepers in the 1980s. Given the popularity of football in Iraq, it is all but certain he would have been significantly covered in his day. @Svartner: BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:52, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 20:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Not only for the sources already available but also from how I feel like that playing in a major event such as the Asian Games already demonstrates notability considering the states of other athletes for the Olympic games of the same decade. SuperSkaterDude45 (discusión) 21:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kobi Arad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Yet another paid for spam page for this non notable musician. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. Notability is not inherited from name dropping. None of the listed awards are major (or even credible). Refbombed to primary sources and PR pieces masquerading as real journalism. A single allmusic capsule review is not enough. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - I came across this page with the intention of improving its neutrality and sourcing. While I recognize that the article could benefit from further refinement, it is clear that Kobi Arad meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria for musicians (WP:MUSICBIO). He has received multiple awards and nominations, including those recognized as notable within Wikipedia itself—establishing their significance. Notability is defined by significant coverage in independent, reliable sources (WP:GNG) rather than subjective interpretations of an award’s importance. Given that sources like JazzTimes and All About Jazz have reviewed his work, and considering his influence within contemporary jazz and fusion, deletion would not align with Wikipedia’s inclusion standards. Instead of removal, enhancing the article to better reflect Wikipedia’s quality guidelines (WP:NPOV, WP:V) would be the more constructive course of action. --DenoZUka (talk) 15:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC) — DenoZUka (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep - I've been an editor for two years and am looking for opportunities to contribute more actively to Wikipedia while improving my editing skills. As part of this, I’ve been reviewing discussions and pages where I can assist. In this case, I agree with DenoZuka that the subject meets the notability criteria under WP:MUSICBIO, given their multiple recognized awards and significant coverage. The sources provided appear to align with Wikipedia’s standards for reliable sourcing, and I believe the article should be improved rather than deleted. I vote to Keep! Nikzadfrance (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2025 (UTC) — Nikzadfrance (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Speedy Keep – I am the creator of this page. While I was compensated, I followed all proper AFC procedures and fully disclosed my association, ensuring compliance with all rules. The AFC was approved by Admin @Cullen328, who has made over 112,000 edits.

Kobi Arad meets WP:MUSICBIO as he has received multiple awards, including the Hollywood Music in Media Awards and the Hollywood Independent Music Awards —both of which have Wikipedia pages, confirming their credibility as recognized awards. Additionally, he has been featured in reputable publications such as All About Jazz, Ultimate Guitar, and JazzTimes, none of which were paid placements.

Accusing someone of paid placements without evidence is unwarranted. Furthermore, the nominator had previously marked the page with a Paid Editing Tag but did not initially propose deletion. However, after an experienced admin removed the tag, they suddenly nominated the page for deletion. This seems questionable—perhaps a sign of personal bias or retaliation?Dwnloda (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Dwnloda, your page says you edited the Kobi Arad article for payment. How is that an accusation? Isn't it just a statement of fact? Please explain! gidonb (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator appeared to suggest that the subject has paid placements and "PR pieces" in the media. This is what I was addressing. None of the citations I have included are paid. Legally, all U.S.-based publications must disclose paid placements, so if any were sponsored, they would include clear advertising or sponsorship language. Dwnloda (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

duffbeerforme said PR pieces masquerading as real journalism. These don’t necessarily require payment. Writers are often busy and underpaid, relying on PR material that they publish with minimal changes. The more obscure the website or publication, the more prevalent this is—though it also exists in major outlets. If someone hires a paid writer for a community encyclopedia entry, PR concerns should extend beyond Wikipedia. gidonb (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• The first AfD was in 2010, which isn't particularly strong evidence. The next, in 2020, claims there's been an LTA focused on this page since the first AfD, which if true is suggestive that this new instance of the page is also a product of this LTA. Also, a tenured editor accepting an article at AfC is not protective against deletion; even experienced reviewers can make mistakes and in any case the instructions are to accept if we think it's likely to survive an AfD, which many editors interpret as >50%, so they very well may have thought that it was borderline but worth accepting. A look at the sources, excluding the obvious trivial mentions or database entries:

• Several pages in a Master's thesis. I am disinclined to count a MA as an academic source contributing to notability but I suppose it may be acceptable, I'm not familiar with prior art here.
• Ultimate Guitar "Community Feed" news article, bylined "eriik22", "written by a UG user". WP:UGS, doesn't contribute to WP:GNG.
• JazzTimes review by a "community author", likewise seems user generated.
• TunedLoud article. Bylined "Staff". There's a fiverr listing advertising a "professional review styled article" in TunedLoud for $15, which I can't link because fiverr's on the URL blacklist.
• TheMusic review. The writer "wants to help you as an artist succeed and get the write-ups your band/Your music deserves! With a writing background of over 15+ years, he will review your music and give your band and/or your music the review it needs to be seen in a manner of professionalism".
• Ynet profile. Trying to figure out whether this is likely to be a paid piece through google translate is not going great, so let's give this one a pass.
• Edit: the Rolling Stones article's full coverage of Arad: "[The album] prominently features the likes of ... pianist Kobi Arad." Obviously not significant coverage.

So, of all the sources in the article or mentioned at this AfD, contributing to WP:GNG we have a masters thesis and a piece that I'm not convinced isn't paid because I can't read the language. Granting both of these the most benefit of doubt I feel up for, this still comes out to a delete. It is possible there are further sources, especially in Hebrew. I was able to find one in Euclid Magazine, bylined Euclid. They sell sponsored blog posts for $1,200 each, which seem to be unmarked on their website. ...and I can't link it because the entire domain is URL blacklisted, so there's that! Rusalkii (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re: awards, both the awards listed do not appear to be particularly prominent - while the bar is subjective, that criteria is "major music award", and "has a Wikipedia article", while pretty much necessary, is not actually anywhere near sufficient. Rusalkii (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Euclid Magazine was not used as a citation, so mentioning it here is irrelevant and misleading, as it implies an accusation of paid media placement. Even if that were the case, this particular source was not included because I prioritized the most credible references when creating the page.

He also has a post here on Hollywood Heat, but to me it didn't appear as a credible source due to low traffic and domain rating. That said, any claims about user-generated content or potential paid placements remain speculative.

Regarding the two awards, while they may not be as prestigious as the Grammys or Oscars, they are still notable enough to have their own Wikipedia pages. There is no strict policy defining what qualifies as a "significant award," but in my view, an award without a Wikipedia page is unlikely to meet that threshold. Dwnloda (talk) 16:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep- I am in support of keeping this article as he is a notable figure in the jazz music scene, having won multiple awards such as the Hollywood Music in Media Award and the Independent Music Award, has collaborated with renowned artists like Stevie Wonder, Cindy and Carlos Santana, and Roy Ayers, (sources suggests that clearly). Discography is well cited by discogs. Also the page is well-supported by reliable sources, I added a rolling stone link as well, in line with Wikipedia's WP:BLP and WP:GNG guidelines. Wavyydayy (talk) 00:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC) — Wavyydayy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep I am strongly opposed to undeclared paid editing and as an administrator, I have blocked 11,482 accounts as of this writing. Probably 80% were undeclared paid editors violating our policies. But paid editing is not banned. Wikipedia has established clear policies and guidelines for paid editors to follow, some of which are required by the Wikimedia Foundation. They must comply with the Paid-contributions disclosure. They must use the Articles for Creation process and abide by the decisions of independent and uninvolved reviewers. They need to refrain from making substantive changes to accepted articles (except for reverting obvious vandalism) and instead place formal Edit requests on article talk pages. The original author of this article has done all of that in good faith. The article has plenty of references. If some are weak, the solution is to remove those, not to delete the article. The musician has won a Hollywood Music in Media Award. This may not be the best known award in music but it is a notable award. Kobi Arad is a notable musician. Not every award is a Nobel Prize. Not every musician is Bob Dylan. Not every physicist is Albert Einstein. Not every politician is Abraham Lincoln. Not every actor is Meryl Streep. This encyclopedia is rapidly approaching seven million articles. When the encyclopedia is constantly swarmed by undisclosed, often malicious paid editors, it is a big mistake, in my view, to target the work of an ethical paid editor trying to do the right thing. It sends the message that many Wikipedia editors will target your work and try to erase it even if you do everything properly, and that just allows the bad actors to rationalize their bad behavior. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Per Cullen's mic drop. This article checks every box of acceptability. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli support for Hamas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is not a significat topic of study or coverage. Much of the article is synthetically composed of material from sources unrelated to the article topic—which is not itself a reason for deletion, rather for revision, but from my research it appears that this is a reflection of the lack of significant coverage of this topic. Any relevant material not already there can be merged into History of Hamas. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep-The article has abundant citations from primary reliable sources. Certainly not every article cited has this as its main subject, but enough do to indicate that this is a noteworthy topic. Display name 99 (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  What do you mean by primary sources? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:46, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that "reliable" is more of what I was going for. Edited accordingly. Display name 99 (talk) 00:45, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing that most of the articles with this as their primary topic are just characterizing Israel's earlier Hamas policy as favoring it against the PLO, and generally avoid using the language of "support". The fact that there's no academic source on the "Israeli support of Hamas" is telling. As an analogy, we wouldn't have an article for "Indian provocations of Pakistan", though there are many articles assessing Indian foreign policy as doing so—the information from those sources would belong on Wikipedia, but don't collectively suggest "Indian provocations of Pakistan" as a notable topic. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - there are enough citations from reliable sources over a long time span mentioning the topic (although not always using the exact word "support" - the article could be renamed something like "Role of the Israeli government in the rise to power to Hamas" or "Israeli enabling of Hamas," if it's necessary to avoid the word "support"). NHCLS (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, as the article has numerous citations from reliable sources (as per Display name 99), though the article should be renamed to something such as "Israeli enabling of Hamas" as per NHCLS. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 12:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chaya Keller (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Reason: WP:COI: The author, user:Neriah, is (Redacted). Please see 1, 2: 1. image author and uploader, 2. Nathan (Chaya's husband, a full professor in the Biu) - the same author and camera, a different date; image was taken at home: no Torah books at the math dept. in Biu, and (Redacted).
Neriah does not have a WP:PMR permission, but moved the article without leaving a redirect.
WP:NACADEMIC: Neriah raised criteria 1,2: Krill Prize and a solution of the Ringel's problem.
There is no secondary international source, like the CNN or The New York Times, for example.
The solution of Ringel's problem was made with additional four colleagues. There is no Wikipedia article about this problem.
Chaya Keller is an associate professor, not a professor. Loeweopta (talk) 19:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: @Loeweopta: Are you arguing that Neriah is related to this professor just because Neriah took her picture? This doesn't really follow. Neriah was able to suppress the redirect because of their global rollback permission. International sources are not required to satisfy notability. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Redacted). Loeweopta (talk) 20:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning keep. As Helpful Raccoon has pointed out, international sources are not required to prove notability, and an alleged COI is not a sufficient reason for deletion. I'm unsure of whether the subject passes WP:NPROF, but I think she probably does pass WP:GNG on the basis of coverage like [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30]. Her team's solution to Ringel's problem also got some press coverage, such as this article in Haaretz [31]. Maths isn't my area and I'm not too familiar with the sources that covered her so I'm very open to changing my mind here, but my sense is that her publications and awards aren't quite significant enough to meet WP:NPROF, but that the other coverage is probably enough to meet WP:GNG. MCE89 (talk) 06:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete, per WP:TOOSOON. The best argument for notability I see is the Krill prize. Looking at the other recipients, I see a fairly prestigious early career prize, which I do not think meets WP:NPROF C2. (I think it indicates likely future notability.) The media coverage I see is so tightly tied to the Krill prize and localized in time that I think falls under WP:BLP1E. Watching in case better evidence of notability emerges. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft delete. Agree with Russ Woodroofe. This is a mid-career mathematician doing very strong work. In 5-10 years they probably will be more widely recognized and cited. So if we delete, I recommend it be done without prejudice towards a new page if WP:NPROF is met someday. I don't think her citation rate hits C1 yet. Like Russ, I could be swayed if better evidence is found. Qflib (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. I agree she is not there on academic impact (WP:PROF#C1) yet; I think among the Ringel circle conjecture crew, only Shakhar Smorodinsky has a case for notability that way. The only plausible avenue for notability for Keller is the Krill Prize (maybe WP:PROF#C2) and the ensuing publicity (maybe WP:GNG) but I think that the prize's focus on "promising researchers", its national-level focus, and its "numerous recipients" [32] make it too low-level to demonstrate clear notability and that the publicity for it falls short of WP:BIO1E. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. There is sufficient SIGCOV here to meet the GNG. gidonb (talk) 02:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Keep I think that there is enough notability for this article to be kept. Admittedly, the article is not massive, but there is enough content for it to be kept. ScrabbleTiles (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails the notability criteria while naked assertions that "Of course, she is notable" or "Certainly, sources exist!" do not hold water. Suggestions to the contrary are supposed to bring forth, instead of assertions, sources -- numerous, significant, and non-primary. Whether deletion should be soft or not would be up to the closer. -The Gnome (talk) 00:42, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Subject fails the WP:NPROF criteria on almost every metric, with a dismal academic impact. Maybe it's just WP:TOOSOON and the subject will gain academic notability in the future, but since 'possible future notability' is not a reason for keeping a presently GNG non-compliant article, this should be deleted. Eelipe (talk) 04:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Israel–Seychelles relations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article primarily based on 3 primary sources from the Israeli government. 2 of these merely confirm no embassies, a third is a factoid that Seychelles allowed Israelis to visit during the pandemic. There appears to be no third party of these relations. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 04:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. The intro focuses on REFERENCES, while calling these sources. References are in an article. For these one does not have to search. AfDs should be focused on SOURCES, which are out there, per the golden NEXIST rule. A quick scan of the internet proves that there are third party sources, for example in Walla and Mako and Channel 13 of Israel. gidonb (talk) 04:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  the Channel 13 source seems an advertorial for Air Seychelles. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By now you have reacted to everyone who disagreed with you yet never convinced why this article should be deleted. There should have been a strong case in the intro. We did not see that. Instead, you shopped in the references, now shop in the sources. The problem is that sufficient unchallenged sources remain. And the listed articles are just a small sample. Maariv regularly covers the subject. For example: Maariv1 Maariv2 Maariv3 Maariv4. gidonb (talk) 06:22, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Reliable coverage is easily discoverable from a cursory web search. This topic is significant enough on its own to warrant an article; it just hasn't been expanded beyond a stub yet. Yue💌 19:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Which sources did you find from your search? LibStar (talk) 22:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No doubt the article is poorly written and the sourcing is lacking, but that can be resolved without deletion. The topic meets WP:N and WP:RSs do exist for this topic. Eelipe (talk) 04:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources are you referring to? LibStar (talk) 04:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Article lacks citations to reliable, secondary sources, and I am not finding any either. Yilloslime (talk) 01:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep by the GNG. The article is supported by multiple sources, identified by me in in the comment above and within the article itself. More sources exist. No compelling case for deletion has been made. The deletion rationale mentions sources, yet only critiques references. It selectively focuses on three references that support the article's content, while ignoring the Israel Channel 12 news item that supports notability. On the downside: the article is rather short, yet meets the threshold for viability. gidonb (talk) 02:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Channel 12 or 13? LibStar (talk) 02:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Channel 12. gidonb (talk) 02:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: proper WP:BEFORE should have been done FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep has significant coverage such as here, here and here, so WP:GNG. 201.225.5.63 (talk) 03:17, 18 February 2025 (UTC)— 201.225.5.63 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  • • LOL no... Yilloslime (talk) 06:41, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

      The IP is a suspected sockpuppet of Alon9393 Geschichte (talk) 15:19, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Being an Indo-Seychellois, I have made an effort to add a few citations to the page, including a JSTOR article accessed through the Wikipedia Library. I hope the page stays and continues to expand. Charlie (talk) 15:52, 25 February 2025 (UTC) [reply]

  Striking out my vote because there aren't enough good in-depth references. I did my best to search for and improve this page. Charlie (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Some historically interesting sources discussing Seychelles' connection to the politics of Mandate Palestine prior to the establishment of the state of Israel: Contesting colonial rule: Politics of exile in the Indian Ocean - see in particular p.702 that discusses the use of the Seychelles by the British to detain arrested members of the Arab Higher Committee. Also discussed in Out of Africa: letters of Jewish detainees in the British internment camps, 1944–1948 (p.447). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep – The sources present in the article already satisfies WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:41, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ismael Mahmoud Ghassab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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3 of the 4 provided sources are databases and insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. The other source [33] doesn't appear to be SIGCOV. No evidence of actual third party indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Did you search any Jordanian news sources? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I can't read Arabic. Did you do any searches? LibStar (talk) 02:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not the nominator. If you can't search for sources (WP:BEFORE), why should you be able to nominate this for deletion? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:45, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I've searched for sources and can't find any. If you are supporting keep (which I guess you do), please provide sources. Thanks in advance. LibStar (talk) 02:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I've searched for sources – in Arabic? Because any coverage that exists would be there, not in English. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:49, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Please provide evidence of sources. LibStar (talk) 02:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  As I said previously I can't read Arabic. Please stop playing games. LibStar (talk) 02:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "playing games"? Suggesting that someone should actually look for sources before mass nominating articles for deletion is not "playing games"... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:23, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I have searched "news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR" Prove me wrong and show me some sources. I'll happily withdraw this AfD is actual sources are find. LibStar (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  And think about it: how many of those have anything from 1980s Jordan, or even Arabic? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Have you done any searches? Instead of arguing here. LibStar (talk) 22:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Prove me wrong and show me some sources. LibStar (talk) 22:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You're the one mass nominating articles for deletion! See WP:BEFORE. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll ask again, you seem to be avoiding the question. Have you found any sources? Or do you prefer just to argue more? LibStar (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I do not have access to any of the sources that would have covered the person. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:36, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  So there aren't sources? Or do you have something that would support a keep vote? LibStar (talk) 22:36, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @LibStar There are sources, the issue is that you haven't done the WP:BEFORE work of finding them given the context of this article and what we already know about the subject's accomplishments. Sometimes, searching for sources takes more than just typing words into a search engine. --Habst (talk) 13:40, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Onus is on the keep voters to provide sources. LibStar (talk) 13:54, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @LibStar No, the onus is on the nominator to do WP:BEFORE. If you agree that sources exist, then you should withdraw the nomination like you did at WP:Articles for deletion/Chae Hong-nak. --Habst (talk) 14:11, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I withdraw when there is evidence of sources. When there is no evidence I support delete. Do you accept the 2 athlete articles were deleted in the last 24 hours despite your best efforts? LibStar (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I did not withdraw this one because no sources were supplied. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moustafa Matola. Other editors and the closing admin agreed with delete. LibStar (talk) 14:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @LibStar Do you accept the 2 athlete articles were deleted – Yes, they were deleted. What is the point of this line of questioning? Each application of NEXIST needs to be looked at on its own merits.

  P.S. as there are so many ongoing threads, please ping me on responses so I won't miss it. --Habst (talk) 18:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment part of WP:BEFORE is to make a reasonable effort to search for sources. Because the nominator didn't search Arabic sources for coverage for this Jordanian athlete, I think a procedural keep is appropriate. On the merits, we'd expect someone who finished 13th at a global marathon championship, from a country that rarely performs that well, to have local coverage. --Habst (talk) 13:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Expect to have local coverage? We need to see evidence of it. LibStar (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @LibStar, with respect that's not what WP:N says. I don't think enough care is being put into these nominations and PRODs in such a narrow subject area, 52+ and counting this month. Coverage exists for many of them as in WP:Articles for deletion/Chae Hong-nak, but it takes significant time to do the research and having so many nominations flooding the zone makes it impossible to do in a week. --Habst (talk) 13:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You seem to able to respond and comment extensively in all AfDs. LibStar (talk) 22:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you have any understanding that mass nominating articles for deletion in a limited subject area on topics that are highly likely notable but it is ludicrously hard to search for sources for could make it a little difficult to respond to all on time? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Ask for a change in AfD rules then. Habst and you seem to have a lot of time for arguing, perhaps time better spent searching for sources. LibStar (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  From the person who mass nominates articles without looking in any relevant places for sources, then accuses anyone frustrated at this of playing games... Sheesh... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You seem to spend more time arguing than actually looking for sources. I ask again have you found any sources? LibStar (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You've made at least 10 comments here, potentially 10-20 minutes of your time, that could have been spent searching. I welcome any sources you have identified. LibStar (talk) 22:36, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It looks like the online records for The Jordan Times only go back to 2015, so that's unlikely to be helpful for an athlete who was competing in the 1980s. Its Arabic sister paper, Al Ra'i, gives search results back to at least 2006, but still not far enough. Ad-Dustour doesn't seem to go that far back.

  You don't really have to be able to read Arabic to search for it. His name is اسماعيل محمود•قصاب. Just copy and paste that into a website that you want to search. See if you get results that look relevant (e.g., contain photos of athletes). If you do, run the text through machine translation. This won't help with television news (which would have been popular at the relevant point in time), but it's better than shrugging your shoulders and declaring that doing an effective search is Somebody else's problem. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:33, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @WhatamIdoing, I appreciate your thought but the issue is this isn't the first (or second, or third) Jordanian Olympic athlete from the pre-Internet area to be PRODed or nominated to AfD recently. Maybe there's something we both missed, but when I did a search I couldn't find a single Jordanian newspaper that has searchable pre-Internet archives. That doesn't mean finding sources is impossible, but it does mean it would take a dedicated effort that can't be split over the nearly 100 recent PRODs or AfD over this narrow subject area within a week. --Habst (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree that this is a time-and-effort problem. At some level, we all know that there is local coverage on every modern Olympic athlete, because (a) local newspapers always run the 'local kid does well internationally' kinds of stories, because articles that combine national pride, local people, and good news sell well, and (b) every time someone has actually done the work of getting access to paper copies, they've found these sources.

  The community could decide that large-scale AFDs and PRODs on subjects for which coverage is most likely to be in a language that the nom doesn't read to be a disruptive behavioral problem. We should be able to nominate articles about Jordanian athletes, but we realistically have only a handful of editors who can competently evaluate the actual notability. It's a bad idea to nominate 100 in one week because we'll get the answer wrong – and nominating 100 in one week is behavior, not content. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @WhatamIdoing, thanks, and just to be clear, the nearly 100 PRODs / AfDs I'm counting since the start of this month, although we only generally have a week to respond to each one.

  Having never dealt with an issue like this, what would be the appropriate venue to deal with it as a behavioral problem? --Habst (talk) 19:03, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'd suggest one of the village pumps, if you want to create a new rule limiting the throughput for AFD ("nobody should create more than 20 separate AFDs in a single week") or if you want to create a new process for discussing larger groups of articles that the nom is unable to competently assess ("If the subject is primarily a non-English subject, and you don't read that language at all, then you have to find someone who can speak that language first"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• He's covered here, but the translation I get is very choppy. I found this when searching for another Jordanian athlete. Note that the name listed by Olympedia as his Arabic name shows "no matches" when I search it at that page, but based on the translation I know it does cover him (i.e. his name, which has coverage, is a different Arabic name than the one provided – we need to figure out how exactly to search for the correct Arabic name). BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree. I assumed that Olympedia got the Arabic spelling right, but no source is always typo-free. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basil Kilani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. Source was added https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times-liberian-runner-sh/166592209/ which doesn't appear to name this person. Lacking SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Well, he exists [34]. That's about the extent of what I find, there are three other sources in Gnewspapers that just give race results. We don't have enough to meet GNG Oaktree b (talk) 23:42, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Positively fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Added source is expressly not about him. I know that a certain user will come around here to claim that it is, but it is not. Kilani had unusually slow PBs per Olympedia, literal minutes behind the world elite, so no reason to believe that WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES either - which a certain user will arrive to claim as well. Geschichte (talk) 13:16, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep with great respect to the above !voters' views and contributions, this is only a disagreement about policy. I do believe in using WP:NEXIST very sparingly, meaning I don't think it applies to 99%+ of articles on-wiki. But the simple fact is that that Kilani is a clear case where it applies:
  1. . Is there enough WP:V content on Kilani to construct a stub? Yes, the article as written only consists of verified content from WP:RS. So the only issue is notability, not verifiability.
  2. . Has Kilani done something that would indicate coverage exists? Yes, Kilani was the best long-distance track runner from his country of millions of people in the 1970s, as evidenced by the fact that he was the only such Jordanian athlete to qualify for the 1984 Olympics. Standards of achievement for athletics have always been specific to regions and sub-groups and not only universal. Of course a universal standard also exists, but for the same reason Sherman Guity is notable despite "pedestrian" sprint times, what matters is not whether Kilani did or WP:DIDNOTWIN but whether he was notable for his accomplishments in a large enough sub-group.
  3. . Have we searched relevant archives? Do we even have access to them? This is a resounding no. We know that newspapers and periodicals were widespread in Jordan at the time. But where are the archives? A good start would be searching under the subject's native name Arabic: باسل كيلاني. Once we have those archives, it shouldn't take much, we'd expect coverage from the Olympics to exist on the first sports or news page on the day of Kilani's competitions. But we don't.

Lastly I'll just say that there is a wording issue in the nominating statement, of course "which doesn't appear to name this person" is incorrect because the subject is mentioned in the first sentence of the article. Yes, it's only a mention, meaning it serves to fulfill WP:V but not WP:N – hence why NEXIST is necessary here. --Habst (talk) 17:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But we still have no sources, "Trust me some exist" isn't enough. Oaktree b (talk) 20:52, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b, I have great respect for your edits, but I think you are falling trap to a common misconception about Wikipedia P&G – yes, NEXISTS can be invoked without a specific URL or page number of a citation, and there is some responsibility to search for sources before deletion even if they aren't readily available online. See the closing admin comment at WP:Articles for deletion/Maher Abbas: ... I'm not typically impressed by the "there must be sources" genre of argument, BeanieFan11's is unusually solid: it is true that not a single participant has reported searching Lebanese newspapers (where we'd expect to find the most coverage) and finding nothing. Those points all also apply to this AfD.

A lot of people think that if you look for sources online and can't find any, that's sufficient grounds to delete an article. And in 99% of cases that may be true, but Wikipedia P&G are more nuanced than that. --Habst (talk) 21:06, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an inclusionist, but without proper sourcing, we can't presume anything. This individual is most certainly notable, but we have nothing to prove that notability. The best source for media in that part of the world that we can access would be the BnF Gallica, simply for the shared language, [35] but there are no sources to be found. A Lebanese athlete would get some mention in the Francophone press if they were this notable, but there isn't any. Oaktree b (talk) 21:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abbas was Lebanese but Kilani (this AfD subject) is Jordanian, so I don't think a French newspaper would suffice. List of newspapers in Jordan would be a good start – those in the table that would have existed during Kilani's prime would be The Jordan Times, Al Liwaa, Al Ra'i, and Ad-Dustour. To my knowledge, although we know that they existed in the 80s, none have searchable archives from that time, meaning we would need to do some digging like finding old issues. --Habst (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment striked out text, but regardless the added source is a single mention and not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Coverage here. I get a very choppy translation that says something like:

Basil Al-Kilani, the athlete

1 The unknown who did not participate in the tournament A year ago, he did not have a share 7 0 of the competitions that 0 .. Igham since a year for the national electors after he insisted on continuing training. With determination and deliberation .. until he surprised everyone and the champions

The previous one on the track, so Khalil

And Ham to the constellation in the 00.0 km race And the situation worsened with him, so he finished third, and I think Some people thought it was a stroke of luck, but he confirmed 0 The second day of the tournament 3 His ability to follow 0 The champions in the 101 km race, and he almost 3 won it if it were not for his lack of resourcefulness and experience He finished second and is now developing

5 An organized development.

• BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I also get from this:

Student Basil Kilani: One of the champions of the cross-country race

What are the impressions that.

Bear about the sports movement inside the college

He said at the beginning of the year there was no extra interest in athletes and the dean of the college promised that there were privileges for athletes and that they would be exempted from some of the fees or reduced, but one day we were surprised by the dean’s registrar taking us out of the classes and demanding that we pay the full fee.

There was one teacher in the college, which was not enough to train the teams, but finally the college received two sports coaches who led the teams to victory and the college director became the first supporter of sports and athletes

• BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Then Sawt Alshaab has a decent article discussing him (and some other Jordan 1984 Olympians) here (Google is not good at translating this stuff...):

In response to what was reported by sports circles and newspapers about our athletics team that represented Jordan in the Los Angeles Olympics, I would like to present a clearer and more detailed picture of this drowned(?) person ... Basil Kilani competed in the 1000[0]m race. He achieved Al-Kilani set a new Jordanian record in the 30.42 1000[0]m race, completing the distance in 30 minutes, thus breaking his previous record of 32.02 minutes by one minute and twenty seconds.

An hour. He came in fifteenth place with a time of 19/2014 and there are many like him ... This is an achievement in a short period of time that is almost unexpected. He participated in the 5000m race, which started at a speed higher than what is required for our player, and he covered the first kilometer in 2.47 minutes and the second kilometer in 2.44 minutes, which is close to his maximum speed time, which was a technical mistake for the player, and thus he lost his record achieved in Germany by 15 seconds.

... We must not forget that our players' experience in participating in a world Olympiad is non-existent, as this is the first time, which has an impact on the players’ souls, as they are certain that their level is far from the world level, which affects the level of achievement of the respiratory circulatory system. In support of this, the world champions in the marathon were unable to achieve their time records in Los Angeles, for example, which is not hidden from anyone. In addition to the weather conditions, humidity and air pollution, for example, the Japanese player Seiko Toshika, whose time was 20, 2008 hours, while his 14th place came with a time of 13, 2014 hours, an increase of 6 minutes, as well as the American player, the former world champion, whose time was 2008 13, 14

...

The report had been published in the newspapers... and this report did not contain any distortion of the existing reality... and after the decision to participate in Los Angeles, a training camp was prepared in West Germany in which new Jordanian records were achieved by breaking thirteen Jordanian records... and in light of this camp and the second report that was submitted to the Jordanian Athletics Federation and which was not published in the newspapers, five players were chosen who obtained the best results relative to their records and achievements during the year.

However, we must take into consideration all aspects of the shortage in numbers and capabilities, from technical and other aspects, so that we can achieve better accomplishments in the future...

• BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep. I think the coverage we have is just enough for GNG/NBASIC given the circumstances; I feel like if we did better searches we'd find more coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1st Gulf cup for Veteran Players (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not sure if we need a season article for an exhibition competition between retired players. Fails WP:GNG in my book, and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. What is there to say about this competition? This page is just stats and whatnot. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:27, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure how exactly to format the reply, but I think it is notable due to extensive media coverage in the middle east, and a season article was created due to plans that this will be a biannual tournament to accompany the senior men's tournament. Exhibition matches and tournments have wikipedia articles if they are notable, such as Soccer Aid, Sidemen Charity Match, and 2025 NBA All-Star Game amongst many others Alitheboss55 (talk) 20:34, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Added a number of new sources. Naturally the tournament has not started yet so more sources will be added as events occur, but I think there is notable coverage from around the region about this event. Alitheboss55 (talk) 21:29, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP has WP:SIGCOV Alitheboss55 (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cinemoz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Aside from the subject not being notable enough, the article lacks significant information and has numerous issues. Although it has been around for more than a decade, these issues have not been resolved by readers, and the article has hardly evolved at all. This indicates that it has not garnered enough interest and suggests that it likely will not improve in the future. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 13:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Munir Itani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't meet notability guidelines. The only knowledge of his existence comes from Olympedia, which only mentions that he competed for Lebanon at the 1948 Winter Olympics but did not start. That article covers his involvement in those Games in its entirety, and I cannot find a single other source that provides more information. Jordano⁵³ 19:10, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect. Given that we don't know any details about his life aside from him competing at the Olympics, I don't think there's going to be further coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tarab (album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article subject is not notable enough, not even in the Arab world. The artist himself is barely known. See this Google search for example. All the results seem lost and uncertain. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 18:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Barely known, Rabih Abu-Khalil???? He's among the world's best-known oud players in the recent history of the instrument and a very famous fusion musician.... Educate yourself, please! A redirect to his discography seems a good alternative to deletion. -Mushy Yank. 10:49, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source for the claim? I am speaking based on Arabic Google search. This claim is not based on my own opinion ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 18:08, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.allaboutjazz.com/musicians/rabih-abou-khalil/ for example -Mushy Yank. 21:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[And I am sorry but the way you phrased things seems to imply that "barely known" is your own opinion.][reply]

Him being the best-known oud player is not a good enough reason for this article to exist. If this album holds significant importance in his career, it would be more appropriate to include a section about it in his main article. There is no need for an entire article dedicated to the album solely because it belongs to the "world's best-known oud player in recent history."

Also, the article, in its current state, does not contain significant or substantial enough information to justify its existence as a standalone piece. Despite having been created in 2018, it has not been expanded or developed sufficiently to warrant its own article. This lack of growth suggests that it has not attracted enough readers or generated sufficient interest, further indicating that it is not noteworthy. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 18:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My !vote is a redirect. -Mushy Yank. 21:30, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohamad Siraj Tamim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Eliminated in 1st round of heats. LibStar (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  delete. fails all criteria for WP:NTRACK and google search brought up only one source: 1, that does not even have any significant coverage of him. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 23:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that the Arabic name for this subject is محمد سراج تميم, and I'm seeing multiple Google hits for that name. Subject was the Lebanese national 100 m record-holder (aka "the fastest person in Lebanon") in the post-Internet age, so I'd be very surprised if there wasn't coverage. See for example this BBC Arabic article where the subject is profiled: [36] --Habst (talk) 03:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. 201.226.200.41 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep based on the BBC Arabic coverage, which makes the article pass SPORTCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. --Habst (talk) 12:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete It is not relevant in the sports field. 190.219.102.54 (talk) 02:10, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metres as a valid ATD if more sources are not found. --Enos733 (talk) 05:48, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Another source: "اليوم الاتحادي بالقوى: تميم يعادل رقمه في ال100 م" [Federal Day in Power: Tamim equals his record in the 100m]. As-Safir (in Arabic). Adds important context that Tamim was a national record-breaker in 2003. I think there should be more from the same paper, so I am feeling more confident about the keep view now. --Habst (talk) 18:47, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep, based on the sources presented by Habst. Searching his name in Arabic gives a couple other short articles as well. I think one could write an WP:NBASIC-compliant article with what's available, not to mention there's a good chance that if we looked at Lebanese newspapers from the time (not all are archived) we'd very likely find more. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also note that two of the three "delete" comments are sockpuppets and should be discounted. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:39, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)

Awadh Al-Sameer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. 3 sources were added. 2 are from Oman Olympic Committee which would be a primary source. The sole third party source added is [37] which appears to be just a competitor listing. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep based on WP:NEXIST, with a possibility for procedural keep. Context for procedural keep: Over 80 articles all in the same narrow topic (Olympic-level track and field competitors from non-English-speaking countries) have been brought to AfD or PRODed this month, as compared to a typical one or two per week otherwise. It takes significant effort to do a complete source search for each of these, all of which aren't in English and most of which are from the pre-Internet era from countries that have not digitized their national newspaper archives yet. If a sweeping argument should be made, then make that as a mass nomination, but otherwise these need to be more spread out. Having this many individual AfDs open at once about these historical figures notoriously difficult to research sets up an insurmountable task.

NEXIST rationale: Omani newspapers from the 1980s haven't been found yet, we would expect coverage because Al-Sameer was a two-time Olympian for Oman, and the first ever Omani Olympic marathoner for the country's Olympic debut in 1984.

• The simple fact is that Awadh Al-Sameer is no less notable than (for example) Chae Hong-nak or Adalberto García. The only difference is the online availability of newspaper coverage from the region at the time. Just because sources aren't on the Internet doesn't mean the article should be deleted, per WP:NEXIST. --Habst (talk) 15:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Warith Al Maawali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:BLP, I have cleaned out of the article a string of sources that are press-release or come from bad newspapers. Most of the sources only mention Warith Al Maawali and fully describe the company. There's a risk of a WP:COI editor. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• note *note the article was reviewed by editor FULBERT today, as was my other article Kentucky Blood Center. Both were immediately nominated for deletion by an editor who has not written any articles of his own. I will ask checkuser to investigate the situation Pollia (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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For someone who has been on wikipedia for less than half a year, you have an overly extensive knowledge of wikipedia rules and policies, as well as an expanded understanding of rules and policies.

As for the nomination for deletion, if you take a closer look at WP:N and WP:BIO you'll be surprised that the article qualifies. And when you familiarize yourself with WP:RS you will learn that not all links have to meet all the criteria, some may in some cases support the information provided Pollia (talk) 17:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Subject meets WP: GNG. I don't even have to pull up Arabic sources to establish notability.

From Bill Marczak, John Scott-Railton, Adam Senft, Irene Poetranto, and Sarah McKune. “Pay No Attention to the Server Behind the Proxy: Mapping FinFisher’s Continuing Proliferation,” Citizen Lab Research Report No. 64, University of Toronto, October 2015 (url):

We found a FinFisher server running on IP address 37.139.27.xxx, which is pointed to by two subdomains of to70.org, a domain name associated with an Omani company called “Eagle Eye Digital Solutions LLC” through historical WHOIS. The domain is currently registered to “Omantel,” the largest telecom in Oman. Eagle Eye Digital Solutions LLC was founded by, and is run by, Warith Al-Maawali. Leaked emails describe Warith as part of Oman’s Ministry of Interior, as well as a reseller of FinFisher products. Other sites apparently run by Eagle Eye include a major Omani online forum, “oman0.net.” Eagle Eye founder Warith Al Maawali says the forum is “one of the most active sites with the largest user-base in Oman.”

From Wolters Kluwer. "Handbook of Blockchain Law: A Guide to Understanding and Resolving the Legal Challenges of Blockchain Technology", 2020 (url):

In February 2019, Warith Al Maawali, a security and cryptocurrency researcher, reported a security vulnerability with the Coinomi cryptocurrency wallet desktop app. Al Maawali reported that Coinomi provided a wallet recovery process, through which users could enter a previously generated twelve-word recovery phrase to regain access to their wallets. However, Coinomi failed to disable a Google spellcheck feature so that anyone able to intercept web traffic could capture the recovery phrase as plain text and take over the user’s Coinomi wallet and all its contents. Al Maawali claimed to have lost between USD 60,000 and USD 70,000 in digital assets from his Coinomi wallet, but he was not able to prove that this plain text spellcheck flaw was responsible.

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Comment: There's also a couple of things that I'd like to get out of the way before this discussion proceeds any further. Dmitry, you need to quit it with this "risk of a WP: COI editor" nonsense. Either take your concerns to WP: COIN or stop making baseless accusations. We do not delete articles because they might have potentially been possibly made by someone who might have a conflict of interest: we delete them on account of a lack of available sourcing. I do my best to assume good faith from other editors, but your reputation precedes you and my tolerance for these kinds of shenanigans is razor thin. Focus on the sourcing, do a WP: BEFORE instead of mass deleting citations from the article, and stop attacking other editors without proper evidence. Your poorly researched and poorly conceived nominations harm the encyclopedia and create unnecessary work for everyone else. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:00, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I will overlook the offensive words you say. All edits and accusations I make are directly sent to the admins or persons responsible for these causes. And for each one I also offer explanations and demonstrate with arguments why this editor can be a COI. It only remains to thank you for this message and no more..--Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 11:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete Checked the first 10 references and the "Handbook of Blockchain Law". For the 10 references, there is two pdf (the same) which is a brochure on the subject, it is pure WP:PUFF. There are several self-written profiles, there is an about me web page for some forum site (nothing to do with him), there is a couple of press-release and PR style sites, there is a single references on one of the pdf and there is other passing mentions. There is also an X of Y article, top 50 ceo which is PR. On the book, its another mention, that he reported a bug. The other is a passing as well. None of these are secondary sources on a BLP. It is all self-generated run-of-the-mill muck. The man is non-notable. Fails WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. Looks like UPE. scope_creep^Talk 16:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per Dmitry's nomination𝔓^420°𝔓^Holla 19:41, 23 February 2025 (UTC) [reply]

• Comment I hate to have to do this at an AfD but I am getting really fed up with the lack of good-faith towards article nominators. Plus, I really don't like any kind of aggressive language like this "my tolerance for these kinds of shenanigans is razor thin". Disagreements are a fact of collaborative writing but that doesn't mean that we have to use aggressive language towards each other. Please stop with the veiled threats. Thank you for understanding.𝔓^420°𝔓^Holla 19:50, 23 February 2025 (UTC)Indefinitely blocked for disruption, UPE, use of LLM and suspected sock puppetry. --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:39, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: This subject fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO and this article fails WP:NOTRESUME. The first source is literally the subject's resume. The sourcing does not really improve. We have his own website ([38]), primary source Q&A ([39]), user-generated content ([40], [41]), articles that read like press releases ([42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47]), articles that are press releases ([48], [49], [50]), trivial mentions ([51], [52]) and articles that do not even mention the subject ([53]). As for the sources offered above in the discussion, the book has a single trivial mention ([54]), as does the UToronto report (see page 28). Despite a bad-faith nomination by a disruptive editor, this article is still a heavily promotional exercise in WP:ADMASQ for a non-notable individual and should be deleted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Israeli support for Hamas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is not a significat topic of study or coverage. Much of the article is synthetically composed of material from sources unrelated to the article topic—which is not itself a reason for deletion, rather for revision, but from my research it appears that this is a reflection of the lack of significant coverage of this topic. Any relevant material not already there can be merged into History of Hamas. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep-The article has abundant citations from primary reliable sources. Certainly not every article cited has this as its main subject, but enough do to indicate that this is a noteworthy topic. Display name 99 (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  What do you mean by primary sources? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:46, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that "reliable" is more of what I was going for. Edited accordingly. Display name 99 (talk) 00:45, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing that most of the articles with this as their primary topic are just characterizing Israel's earlier Hamas policy as favoring it against the PLO, and generally avoid using the language of "support". The fact that there's no academic source on the "Israeli support of Hamas" is telling. As an analogy, we wouldn't have an article for "Indian provocations of Pakistan", though there are many articles assessing Indian foreign policy as doing so—the information from those sources would belong on Wikipedia, but don't collectively suggest "Indian provocations of Pakistan" as a notable topic. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - there are enough citations from reliable sources over a long time span mentioning the topic (although not always using the exact word "support" - the article could be renamed something like "Role of the Israeli government in the rise to power to Hamas" or "Israeli enabling of Hamas," if it's necessary to avoid the word "support"). NHCLS (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, as the article has numerous citations from reliable sources (as per Display name 99), though the article should be renamed to something such as "Israeli enabling of Hamas" as per NHCLS. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 12:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ibrahim Al-Taher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. 3 of the 5 sources are still databases. I checked this source, it's merely a one line mention of علوي أحمد الطاهري and does not meet SIGCOV. Still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep based on WP:NEXIST, with a possibility for procedural keep. Context for procedural keep: Over 80 articles all in the same narrow topic (Olympic-level track and field competitors from non-English-speaking countries) have been brought to AfD or PRODed this month, as compared to a typical one or two per week otherwise. It takes significant effort to do a complete source search for each of these, all of which aren't in English and most of which are from the pre-Internet era from countries that have not digitized their national newspaper archives yet. If a sweeping argument should be made, then make that as a mass nomination, but otherwise these need to be more spread out. Having this many individual AfDs open at once about these historical figures notoriously difficult to research sets up an insurmountable task.

NEXIST rationale: Qatari newspapers from the 1980s haven't been found yet, we would expect coverage because Al-Taher was the only Qatari athlete to qualify for the Olympic marathon, and his 2:23:12 time was the best of all Qatari athletes.

The simple fact is that Ibrahim Al-Taher is no less notable than (for example) Chae Hong-nak or Adalberto García. The only difference is the online availability of newspaper coverage from the region at the time. Just because sources aren't on the Internet doesn't mean the article should be deleted, per WP:NEXIST. --Habst (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Said Khalil Al-Dosari (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod with 2 database sources added. Lacking SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep on the merits based on WP:NEXIST. Context for procedural keep: Over 45 articles all in the same narrow topic (Olympic-level track and field competitors) have been brought to AfD or PRODed this month, as compared to a typical one or two per week otherwise. It takes significant effort to do a complete source search for each of these, most of which aren't in English and are from the pre-Internet era from countries that have not digitized their national archives yet. If a sweeping argument should be made, then make that as a mass nomination. But having this many individual AfDs open at once about these historical figures sets up an insurmountable task.

NEXIST rationale: Saudi newspapers from the time period haven't been checked yet -- one thing to try would be for an Arabic speaker to attempt searching variations of the subject's native name Arabic: سعيد خليل الدوسري in the archive.org full-text search, we would expect coverage because Al-Dosari was the country's only 200m sprinter at the Olympics. There's a suggestion made by another Wikipedia editor that Said Khalil Al-Dosari is the same Said Khalil that co-wrote Bruny Surin's book about sprinting published in 2009, but I removed that link until we can find more evidence of that. --Habst (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose mass nomination. Each article should be considered on its merits. In any case you will just argue "procedural keep" if a mass nomination is made. Do you have sources to support your keep vote in this instance? LibStar (talk) 00:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, if you oppose mass nomination then they need to be spread out more. WP:NEXIST doesn't require a specific link or page number of source – we can't decide to delete a page when the most likely avenues for coverage have not even been checked. --Habst (talk) 13:37, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There has to be evidence of sources, which you've again failed to provide. If you can't find sources this will be deleted like 2 other articles today. LibStar (talk) 01:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, which two articles are you referencing? I think you are misunderstanding WP:N, which explicitly does not require that and certainly does not recommend deleting articles when coverage hasn't been searched for in the most likely venues; see WP:BEFORE. --Habst (talk) 13:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moustafa Matola and William Msiska were deleted today despite your best efforts to use NEXISTS to argue for the existence of sources without naming them. You must accept this. Why aren't you arguing with the admin who deleted them?LibStar (talk) 13:57, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Samarkhel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Quite the same rationale as of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First Siege of Samarkhel: The article is possibly a WP:HOAX, with no sign of independent significant coverage and only passing mentions: The Mujahideen managed to seize Samarkhel village east of Jalalabad in the sources. Also it look likes it's a WP:SAMETYPEFORK. – Garuda ^Talk! 23:02, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! The Siege of Samarkhel is the original article before someone made the “First Siege of Samarkhel” article. They deleted the entire article to make it but I luckily reverted it. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources that mention the fighting in Samarkhel:

https://www.rebellionresearch.com/what-happened-in-the-battle-of-jalalabad

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/world/jalalabad-shows-its-recovery-as-siege-by-rebels-dwindles.html

However, this “siege” was part of the Battle of Jalalabad but I did not make this article. I don’t know whose idea was it to call it a “siege”. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 14:47, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: There doesn't seem to be much evidence for the seige, one of the sources only mentions that Samarkhel was seized ^[1]. Even if a seige did take place, it isn't notable enough for a standalone article. AlvaKedak (talk) 13:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Timtim76 (talk) 15:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not notable. Per nomination. Rubik's Cube 3x3 20:05, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Going through the 14 sources currently on the article as I write this.

- [55] Appears to be LLM/AI generated based on the website, lack of sources, and lack of author. It also fails to mention a seige of Samarkhil (note the spelling difference) but does mention that the village was part of the defenses of Jalalabad (if we can trust what it says).

- [56] A reliable source about the Battle/Siege of Jalalabad that does mention Samarkhel in passing but it doesn't appear that there was any significant siege of that location.

- [57] Another reliable source talking about the siege of Jalalabad, no mention of Samarkhel.

- [58] Page 45 as the citation claims is about the year 1000 CE, so it is only 980 or so years off. The book does mention Jalalabad (unsure of full context though) with only a brief mention of Samarkhel.

- [59] Another solid looking book that mentions Samarkhel as a location but nothing about a siege.

- [60] same source as number [2]

- [61] no mention of Samarkhil or Samarkhel, only 2 results for Jalalabad.

- [62] This mentions Samarkhel as a frontline, but in the battle of Jalalabad, not its own siege.

- [63] Same source as [4], this time the page marked is the singular mention of Samakhel, but again it appears to be a brief mention, not its own topic.

- [64] mentions Samarkhel (Mountain) purely in relation to being near Jalalabad.

- [65] Unfortunately Google books doesn't have Search Inside for this one so No Comment.

- [66] Same as [1], just as bad now as it was then.

- [67] Someone with military history training might tell me if this is important? but as far as I can tell it just talks about Jalalabad.

- [68] Same as [8]

Overall I think this article was mistakenly created from the Siege/Battle of Jalalabad article and should be deleted. It doesn't appear as if there was any actual siege that occurred for this to even be worthy of a redirect to the main page instead. Moritoriko (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Ad Dair shooting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable mass murder, WP:NOTNEWS Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment searching for sources in any right to left language is really annoying, but there is continuing coverage from years after the fact (2021 2021 2021? year is weird for this source ) from established Saudi sources, including Al Watan (Saudi Arabia), CNN, etc. My issue is that these are mostly about the guy who did it being executed. There is more but searching in Arabic is difficult for me. Still, that's not nothing. Saudi Arabia does not have very many mass shootings so this seems decidedly unusual, especially in how it targeted an educational facility. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to do a more thorough search later and then decide. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PARAKANYAA, did you get around to doing a more thorough search? -- asilvering (talk) 23:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did, and I'm still uncertain. The coverage didn't immediately fall off, there was coverage throughout 2016, but after that it gets hard to search especially because different sources write the name of the place and the perpetrator differently. What I am looking at indicates there is probably more I am not finding but it's hard to tell. There is a non-zero amount after that but it's difficult for me to evaluate the reliability of Arabic sourcing and a lot isn't showing up in google. This seems to be viewed as a decidedly unusual crime there, and the coverage was decently in depth from what I can find, so it's not like it would be stuck as a stub forever.

I think an OK merge would be Al Dayer (which according to the saudi sources, is where this actually happened - I think ad dair is a very small town in Al Dayer? it's somewhere in that governate for sure. 2021 saudi sources say "Education Office in Al-Dayer Governorate, east of Jazan") to a history section. Seems to be one of the more significant things to have happened there (at least enough to be reported internationally). Preferential to merge unless additional sourcing is found, but otherwise weak keep. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, there are quite a lot of sources on it in Arabic meeting WP:GNG, the Arabic wiki's page on it is a good place to start. It can definitely be expanded upon. jolielover♥talk 05:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment, The Arabic wiki's page only has coverage from the immediate days surrounding the shooting as best as I can tell, not indicative of sustained coverage, imv. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 07:55, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep There are enough Arabic sources for this article to be kept. Expansion would be good. ScrabbleTiles (talk) 09:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Sufficient sourcing has been provided. Cortador (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deniz Kent (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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All coverage here is WP:ROUTINE besides one paper, where he isn't even the first or last author. Pretty clearly a WP:PUFF article. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:46, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Sources are a blend of press releases ([69]), trivial mentions ([70]), affiliated sources (this one from the venture fund that invested in his company, this one), the subject's own writing ([71]), primary source Q&A interviews ([72], [73]), and WP:TRADES coverage ([74], [75]). The Information (which I can't access) has the best shot of being WP:SIGCOV but we need multiple examples to pass WP:GNG and I don't see that. The only other potential criteria I could see is WP:NACADEMIC but Kent's h-index of 2 is extremely low; he does not seem to be an influential researcher. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:12, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete. Just promotional fluff. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]

International Russian School in Antalya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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One cite is not enough to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 14:34, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@Chidgk1: Hi! I think though that there could be possibly more citations in Russian and/or Turkish. If you like I could check if Russian and/or Turkish newspapers talk about the school. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:43, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WhisperToMe Yes I should have mentioned I found a local Turkish newspaper https://www.lidergazete.com/bu-okul-ruslara-ozel-h60444.htm but could not check Russian as I don’t know the language Chidgk1 (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1: Thank you so much for finding the source! I added it to a further reading part of the article. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:MILL - small private elementary school, lacking significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Bearian: Comment: From the English source: "But while the school’s operators claim the school is a Russian school, the local Russian consulate has disagreed, forcing it to remove the country’s flag.". The entire article has multiple paragraphs about this dispute. To me, this looks like significant coverage. (Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline says: ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content.") WhisperToMe (talk) 13:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    That's not much of a claim to notability. I guess we can agree to disagree. Bearian (talk) 14:24, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on the grounds that:

• A consulate attempting to interfere with an operation of a private school (a consulate is a representative of a foreign government), and succeeding (the school did what the consulate asked it to) - This is a highly unusual situation and, in my opinion, not run of the mill at all.
• Having multiple paragraphs of that covered in an article in English (and undoubtedly there would be Russian and/or Turkish language articles on the same controversy)
• This would a lasting effect on the school as its whole identity is that it's supposed to be a "Russian school" (this is not a minor aspect of the school, but something fundamental about the school itself)
• This Russian article (from Vesti (VGTRK)) seems to talk about a different controversy. A Google translation states that the Turkish newspaper Sabah commented on it (and it gave a different opening year, 2004, so perhaps "opened" in the 2010 Hurriyet article just means opened for the school year and not opened for the first time?)

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

USA Cup/Intercontinental Cup 1950 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Confusing, unreferenced article in which the author tries to make a 1950 tour to America by Turkish football team Beşiktaş J.K. into an international cup. Several other clubs also toured the US in 1950 including Manchester United and Hamburg SC. I can find no evidence that any of these tours were US or international cups. John B123 (talk) 09:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Not sure it needs it's own page, certainly an interesting piece of history. The article is not unreferenced, it has external links which act as such so I find your nomination slightly floored. My suggestion is too add a sentence or two too the 1911–1959: initial years of football section on Beşiktaş J.K.. Regards Govvy (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Merge with Beşiktaş J.K.: I'm inclined to agree with Govvy here, it certainly seems notable enough to mention with a few sentences on the Beşiktaş J.K. page, but I haven't found enough WP:LASTING coverage to warrant it's own article per WP:NSPORTSEVENT (although someone familiar with Turkish sources may be able to find more). Having said that, the quality of prose isn't great, so I think it would require some copy editing. As an aside, @Jvore7, looking at your talk page, you have had a very similar article speedily deleted, and have moved this article back to mainspace two times after being draftified by other editors. I have attempted to communicate with you on your talk page, are you able to interact with the discussion here? FozzieHey (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:04, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Merge with Beşiktaş J.K.#1911–1959: initial years of football – Per Gowy. Could also be improved in an article for the club's 1950–51 season. Svartner (talk) 00:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tur Abdin Massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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WP:NOR and WP:NOPAGE issues. The Sayfo (also known as Assyrian genocide) did occur in the Tur Abdin region and many people were killed. However, calling it the "Tur Abdin massacre" is misleading and not found in the sources cited. Instead, there were a variety of massacres in different locations. There is more information in Sayfo#Tur Abdin than in this article, and it will come up in searches for this term. Therefore, I think that deletion or redirect is the best option. (t · c) buidhe 08:22, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: a mess of WP:OR Koshuri ^(グ) 17:40, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Şifa University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Previous AfD was closed as no consensus despite having no keep !votes at all. A non notable former university that was only briefly open and was, importantly, a small private university. Thus the relevant SNG is WP:NORG, and so we need sources that meet WP:ORGDEPTH and also independent as per WP:ORGIND. Such sourcing does not exist. Attempted a redirect as suggested in the last AfD, but that was reverted, so here we are. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Pinging previous contributors: Chidgk1, SirBrahms and Peter James (who did suggest the redirect). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:30, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect. What the guideline actually says: "For-profit educational organizations and institutions", not all private institutions. WP:GNG is enough, but I don't think the coverage in the article now, or that found in the previous AfD, is enough for that. Peter James (talk) 10:55, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. I remain unopposed to a redirect to Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attemptList of educational institutions closed in the 2016 Turkish purges where this is mentioned, and where I already merged the information here. Yes, you are right that GNG is enough if the university were a suitable not for profit institution, but as far as I can see, from what little information is out there, it was seized as a business interest of Turkish businessman Akın İpek. The doesn't sound like a not for profit. But, as you say, that is likely moot as GNG is not met either. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  If you actually merged information to another page, then we can't delete this for legal/copyright license reasons. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The merge was only of the sources, and no substantive text. I added the sourcing to the page following the last AfD. The discovery of the sourcing is in the AfD page which will be preserved. Attribution to this remains available, and is easily flagged with a dummy edit showing copywithin from the AfD page. And that is despite the fact that the merged material is not creative nor original, and that the licensing issue is a touch more nuanced. So in this case we certainly can delete, but I reiterate I am unopposed to a redirect. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of mountain passes in Turkey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Tagged 12 years ago as having no cites. Wikipedia:Help desk#Why do wikipedia lists need references? and the Turkish article also lacks cites. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Seems to be a common problem in these List of mountain passes in... articles - List of mountain passes in Switzerland also has no refs, List of mountain passes of India isn't much better, List of mountain passes of South Africa links to a google map and List of mountain passes in Wyoming (A–J) is simply referenced to the US geological survey --Spacepine (talk) 10:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Merge table to List of mountain passes#Turkey. This is a navigational list and the respective links are implied to be references, but it does not need a standalone page. Reywas92^Talk 14:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• I had a quick look when this first came up. Although one can source mountain passes in Turkey, it is very difficult to source this specific list as it stands. It's partly a problem of names. Gülek Pass is mixed-language for Anglophones. In sources, it turns up as Gülek Bogazi (i.e. tr:Gülek Boğazı slightly mis-spelled) because they use the Turkish "boğaz" for "pass". Similarly, William Mitchell Ramsay's Maurianon and Karydion passes in the "Tauros" (not Taurus) mountains do not match anything here. Figuring out the names that will be in the geography books, and also which are the modern names, turned out to be more than a 10 minute job. Sorry Türkiye, but I already have Creeks on my plate. Uncle G (talk) 14:01, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bybit (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Bringing this here because I'm not sure the 2025 hack is sufficient to overcome the multiple deletion discussions. NB: not even close to a G4 and no concern with the creation by an established editor, I just think this needs clear resolution before further time and energy is dedicated thereto. Star Mississippi 01:49, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I don't think there's any serious doubt that the Bybit hack meets WP:GNG, as the undisputed largest crypto exchange hack ever (yet!) linked to North Korean state actors it has been extensively covered in numerous reliable sources (NYT, BBC, CNBC, CNA etc) and the content in the article is already appropriately sourced. There is an open question about whether the article should focus on the exchange as a whole or only the hack (cf. 2024 WazirX hack), but that's already being discussed at Talk:Bybit and it's a (potential) requested move, not deletion. Jpatokal (talk) 02:54, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with @Jpatokal. A (potential) requested move is a better option than deletion, provided that the majority of AfD participants support it. Charlie (talk) 15:35, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The subject is one of the largest crypto exchanges in the world, which experienced the largest crypto exchange hack ever so far. Coverage from maybe different notable news outlets. It would be a disservice to investors to make this solely about the hack. There is information in the history section with FTX that is unrelated to the hack and I'm sure investors would like to read about the company prior to sending funds and investing on this platform. There is also way less notable exchanges such as ShapeShift that have standalone pages. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:54, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Please read WP:NCORP, being of service to investors has absolutely nothing to do with providing information to investors. Star Mississippi 12:48, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You are right, it's irrelevant. I was referring to more "context" for readers, but verbalized it the wrong way. Veldsenk said it well below: It would give more context to the reader and there is no benefit in converting it into just a hack article as per WP:PAGEDECIDE. Lekkha Moun (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Bybit is the 2nd largest Cryptocurrency exchange in the world, according to coinmarketcap.

BTW, there was absolutely no reason to delete it 3 months ago or defaming me, as you can read here. IdanST (talk) 09:30, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep meets WP:GNG. Even before this hack, major publications like Bloomberg ([76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83], [84]) and others have been covering it for years. It was the second largest crypto exchange (after Binance) before this hack [85]. There is some academic coverage about it as well and due to on-going investigation Bybit will continue to receive coverage in reliable sources. Per WP:PAGEDECIDE, an article about Bybit makes more sense because it would give more context to the reader (there is no benefit in converting it into just a hack article and scale back the scope). Veldsenk (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I disagree with the conclusion from the prior discussion. The company was notable prior to the hack. After the hack, there is virtually no question that there is more than enough coverage to establish notability. Giannini Goldman (talk) 20:14, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as one of the top 3 largest Crypto exchanges, there are many articles about them that would establish notability.Darkm777 (talk) 03:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I suggested a title change on the talk page a few days ago. This page could be converted into 2025 Bybit hack ,similar to the 2024 WazirX hack. Charlie (talk) 07:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose. The article isn't about 2025 hack, but about Bybit itself. IdanST (talk) 09:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose The difference about the 2024 WazirX hack and the Bybit hack is that WazirX is not worldwdide known while ByBit is 2nd largest Cryptocurrency exchange in the world. Lekkha Moun (talk) 10:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose the article is about Bybit which is a notable company. Giannini Goldman (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Ditto to Jpatokal, not much else to be said. Hmr (talk) 01:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The subject has enough press coverage to meet atleast the General notability guideline. Dam222 🌋 (talk) 21:26, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Icflix (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable. The service was available only for a short time but was unsuccessful and closed shortly after. It suddenly disappeared online without any further notice. It received temporary attention from some media outlets, which also faded quickly. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 06:47, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Farouk Ahmed Sayed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. The only 2 sources added after prodding are 2 databases. We need SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. As shown in other AfDs, keep votes just saying WP:NEXIST with zero evidence of sources don't work in saving articles. LibStar (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: The sources fail to demonstrate any form of notability and thus should be deleted. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 11:32, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No accomplishments whatsoever and no significant coverage. This would need several strong pieces of independent, significant coverage - and by the way, not the passing mentions that may soon be presented in this discussion - to be eligible for inclusion. Geschichte (talk) 16:11, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Geschichte For the record, I searched and was not even able to find a passing mention. --Habst (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on WP:NEXIST, with a possibility for procedural keep. Context for procedural keep: Over 80 articles all in the same narrow topic (Olympic-level track and field competitors from non-English-speaking countries) have been brought to AfD or PRODed this month, as compared to a typical one or two per week otherwise. It takes significant effort to do a complete source search for each of these, all of which aren't in English and most of which are from the pre-Internet era from countries that have not digitized their national newspaper archives yet. If a sweeping argument should be made, then make that as a mass nomination, but otherwise these need to be more spread out. Having this many individual AfDs open at once about these historical figures notoriously difficult to research sets up an insurmountable task.

NEXIST rationale: South Yemeni newspapers from the 1980s haven't been found yet, we would expect coverage because Sayed was the only long-distance runner in history to represent South Yemen at the Olympics – making his notability at least in part of a political nature and not just sporting achievements.

• The simple fact is that Farouk Ahmed Sayed is no less notable than (for example) Chae Hong-nak or Adalberto García. The only difference is the online availability of newspaper coverage from the region at the time. Just because sources aren't on the Internet doesn't mean the article should be deleted, per WP:NEXIST. --Habst (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khalid Al-Estashi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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All the provided sources are databases, and no evidence of SIGCOV in third party sources to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:NTRACK and a search for additional coverage did not yield results. Vegantics (talk) 22:58, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep based on WP:NEXIST, with a possibility for procedural keep. Context for procedural keep: Over 52 articles all in the same narrow topic (Olympic-level track and field competitors) have been brought to AfD or PRODed this month, as compared to a typical one or two per week otherwise. It takes significant effort to do a complete source search for each of these, most of which aren't in English and are from the pre-Internet era from countries that have not digitized their national newspaper archives yet. If a sweeping argument should be made, then make that as a mass nomination, but otherwise these need to be more spread out. Having this many individual AfDs open at once about these historical figures notoriously difficult to research sets up an insurmountable task.

NEXIST rationale: Yemeni newspapers from the 1990s haven't been checked yet, we would expect coverage because Al-Estashi was a six-time national team member, and the first ever long-distance runner to represent a unified Yemen at the Olympics. This was a notable event for political and not just athletic reasons. Other avenue for sourcing: We know that Al-Estashi was represented in at least five other world championships over an eleven-year span. Unfortunately, that took place during the 'digitization gap' of the 1990s, before most newspapers switched to online but after most archival efforts ended. This means we need to take extra care to find these issues and have an open mind that what we find online isn't all there is to this story. --Habst (talk) 13:44, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose mass nomination. Each article should be considered on its merits. In any case you will just argue "procedural keep" if a mass nomination is made. Do you have sources to support your keep vote in this instance? LibStar (talk) 00:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, if you oppose mass nomination then they need to be spread out more. WP:NEXIST doesn't require a specific link or page number of source – we can't decide to delete a page when the most likely avenues for coverage have not even been checked. --Habst (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There has to be evidence of sources, which you've again failed to provide. If you can't find sources this will be deleted like 2 other articles today. LibStar (talk) 01:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, that's for the Wikipedia community to decide. Current consensus created WP:N, which explicitly does not work like that. Note that the most likely avenue for coverage detailed in the NEXIST rationale has not not even been checked yet. --Habst (talk) 02:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you accept that some athletes are not notable and therefore can be deleted? LibStar (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, yes. Can you give one example of when you think WP:NEXIST was properly applied for an article with no references? Because if it's never been applied, then why even have the rule? --Habst (talk) 13:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you accept that some athletes are not notable and therefore can be deleted? LibStar (talk) 13:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moustafa Matola. Other editors and the closing admin agreed with delete. LibStar (talk) 14:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, yes to your question. And if you think WP:NEXIST was properly applied in that AfD (which, I should note, was semi-protected so newer editors couldn't weigh in due to IP vandals impersonating admins to prematurely close it and disrupt the process), then why did you not !vote to keep it? --Habst (talk) 15:08, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not support keep as I've told you hundreds of times there needs to be evidence of actual sources not playing the NEXISTS card and saying there should be sources. LibStar (talk) 15:11, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, what do you think NEXIST means then? The whole point of the NEXIST "card" is that it can be used when there are no references in the article or in discussions. --Habst (talk) 15:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As shown with the deleted articles today, it isn't a sufficient argument. If you feel so strongly about it, why aren't you arguing with the admin who closed the AFDs? LibStar (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, which deleted articles are you referring to? This is an AfD for Khalid Al-Estashi, and I'm commenting about the P&G rationale for keeping it. You can disagree that the subject's accomplishments are enough to know coverage exists, but you can't say that NEXISTS is an invalid argument to use wholesale in any deletion discussion. --Habst (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammed Al-Sarori (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT for not having WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS and WP:RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for WP:V. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 00:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete : As per nomination and also Fails WP:GNG . Gauravs 51 (talk)
• Delete fails Anybio, GNG with no relevant sigcov. Cinder painter (talk) 13:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aden Governorate (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Ever since I joined Wikipedia, I've been trying to find the difference between Aden Governorate and Aden and today I am happy to announce that they are the exact same thing. Aden covers everything in this article except for the governor assassination part which should be merged and this article should be redirected to Aden.

This deletion would make it consistent with the Sanaa article which also includes the first-level subdivision 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 17:56, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• If the article at Aden agreed with you, I would support. But nothing in Aden or Aden Governorate says they are coterminous or a consolidated entity. Do you have a source that they are the exact same thing? --Golbez (talk) 18:06, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well the thing is I didn't find a source that shows them as two separate entities 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 18:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Golbez Plus the Aden article does agree with me. Just a few hours ago before @2dk's copyedit the lead used to say: Aden is divided into eight districts: Tawahi, Mualla, Crater, Khur Maksar, Al Mansura, Dar Sad, Sheikh Othman, and Al Buraiqa. (Those are the districts of the Aden governorate which implies that they're the same thing) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 18:55, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a source saying they're the same. We have sourcing saying the governorate exists; you need sourcing saying it doesn't. Listing things on two articles does not qualify. --Golbez (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or rather, simply saying that there's similar info on both doesn't work. That might be a reason normally to merge articles, but subdivisions are considered inherently notable, so that doesn't work in this case. I can find several official bodies through a google search using the term "Aden Governorate," so I think we need some kind of affirmative sourcing that the governorate either does not exist, or is the same as the city. --Golbez (talk) 19:14, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Golbez: Just FYI I want this to be merged and redirected to Aden. Aden Governorate is a thing, the same thing as Aden and I'd like to see the source that says that they are not 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 19:18, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Usually when one article is mostly just info from another article, they can be merged, but since governorates are inherently article-worthy, in this case the solution is to build out the deficient article. From what I can tell, the City of Aden and Aden Governorate are separate actual entities, and therefore, get separate articles. --Golbez (talk) 02:40, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. A city isn't the same as a governorate. Plus their areas (according to their articles) are different: 760 vs. 1114 km², respectively. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Addendum. This United Nations Human Settlements Programme Aden City Profile article clearly distinguishes between them: "Aden is the largest city of southern Yemen. It is also the administrative centre of the Aden governorate." Also this Berghof Foundation page: "[The Aden Governorate] is home to Yemen's main commercial port, Aden Port". Clarityfiend (talk) 05:02, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend I've read both documents and did not find a single instance where they showed any difference between the city and the governorate. In fact, the UNHabitat document "Aden City" showed nothing but the governorate. Implying that they're the same thing. This is just like the Greenland article case where it is both about the adminstrative region and the Island itself (Btw thank you for that document, it will be helpful in expanding the Aden article) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:38, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you blind? I gave you the exact quotes. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:54, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend The UN quote is vague and the paper uses a map of the governorate when talking about the city and the Bergof foundation talks about the Aden port and not the Aden city... 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 09:24, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The UN quote is vague? How? Is Aden the "administrative centre" of ... itself? Don't be deliberately obtuse. It is what it is. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:50, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, we simply have to put the onus on you: Do you have sourcing that says the city of Aden is the same as the governorate? Not an "implication," a plain statement of fact. If so, supply. If not, then I think this discussion has run its course. --Golbez (talk) 19:16, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The sources are crummy (we have a claim that the Aden Governorate had a population of 589k in 2004 and 1.9M in 2011, and 3X growth in 7 years seems implausible). But it does seem clear that the Governorate encompasses but is distinct from the city itself. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:08, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 00:50, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Another reliable source, Armed Conflict Location and Event Data, states: "This regional profile provides information about the Aden region, as classified by the YCO, which includes Aden city, the wider Aden governorate and central Lahij."[86] (bolding mine). Clarityfiend (talk) 11:17, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Clearly different topics. The Banner talk 18:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as the two articles are of distinct subjects. Madeleine (talk) 21:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]