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Howdy. Did you start an RM at Governor-General of Australia, accidently signed out? GoodDay (talk) 00:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, and here's my IP address for good measure. 23.241.240.60 (talk) 00:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: Can we shut down that discussion by procedure or something like that? PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 00:55, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if we can. I do know that the two pages in that RM, are missing from your RM. GoodDay (talk) 01:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You might consider adding the Australian GG page, to your RM. GoodDay (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not including it in the first place was a mistake on my part. Sorry about that. PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 01:10, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello PrinceTortoise. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of International Commission of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not all of the material is copied. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PrinceTortoise, Boccherini's Guitar, Buchbibliothek, and Primefac: Looking at the page history of this article, it would appear that the https://motor-car.net/german/item/15762-aag-1900-01 website *used* this little English language Wikipedia stub on its website, rather than the other way around, in particular the 5 July 2017 version. I see the https://motor-car.net/ claims to me "the Motor car History Website Since 2003" but each page has "© 2025"... to which I would say, meh, it's just an automobile fan site. PrinceTortoise, there's more about this sort of thing at WP:MAF. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:01, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Shirt58, Boccherini's Guitar, Buchbibliothek, and Primefac: I'm sorry for getting this wrong. As this is the second time in one week that I've unsuccessfully requested a speedy deletion for copyright violations (and accused innocent editors in the process), I think I'll start using {{Copypaste}} rather than {{Db-g12}} in all cases, at least for my next few thousand edits. And I'll definitely review WP:MAF. Again, apologies to all. —PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 19:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings! The article has undergone a huge rewrite and a lot of off-topic detail was removed. The article also now has a cladogram and an updated map kindly provided by User:Podzemnik. I'm very nervous but also excited to attempt to push this article to FAC once the article is completely ready to be examined. I'm grateful for the comments I've gotten and honestly appreciate when people read it. I'm wondering if you have any final thoughts on the readabilty and organization of the article? There is still a bit more tweaking to do but the core of the article should (hopefully) be pretty good. Cheers! Alexeyevitch^(talk) 04:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alexeyevitch! The map and cladogram look great, and I see that despite the removal of some off-topic details, the article has actually grown longer. I have two more major comments:

Firstly, in the WP:PLANTSTEMPLATE, the distribution and habitat section comes before ecology. I don't know the original reason for this convention, but I do think it might be slightly better organization for ecology to come after distribution and before conservation.

Secondly, there's still one confusing paragraph in the description: Flowering occurs from October to November, Bartlett's rātā produces distinct white-coloured flowers and the pedicels it produces are up to 3 × 1, 2.5–3 mm high, 2–2.5 mm wide, and the hypanthium spreading up to 1–1.5 × 1–1.5 mm long. Its sepals are triangular-shaped and are up to 1–1.5 x. 1–1.5 mm, its petals are elliptical to egg-shaped in shape and 2.5–3 mm x 1.8–2 mm long, and the stamens are 5–9 mm long. I think this could read a bit more smoothly, and I think the sources state the sizes thus:

• Flower: no size given
• Pedicel: 3 × 1,
• Hypanthium: 2.5–3 mm high and 2–2.5 mm wide
• Sepals: 1–1.5 mm × 1–1.5 mm (triangular and spreading)
• Petals: 2.5–3 mm × 1.8–2 mm
• Stamens: 5–9 mm long
• Style: 10–11 mm long

Here's my take on the paragraph: Flowering in the spring from October to November, M. bartletti produces distinct white-coloured flowers with pedicels up to 3 × 1 mm and a hypanthium up to 2.5–3 mm high × 2–2.5 mm wide. Its spreading sepals are triangle-shaped and up to 1–1.5 × 1–1.5 mm, and its petals are elliptical to egg-shaped in shape and 2.5–3 mm x 1.8–2 mm long. The stamens are 5–9 mm long, and the styles are slightly longer at 10–11 mm. You don't have to copy that word-for-word, but I think it's one way to improve on the original.

Once you feel like you've finished any remaining (major) content changes, I can do one last check to fix any minor grammar issues if I have a 48-hour notice before the FAC. Until then, keep up the good work! Cheers, PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 06:35, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

G'day PrinceTortoise! I intend to put the Metrosideros bartlettii article to FAC this weekend... I'm nervous but also excited to see how this will go. I'm satisfied with most sections so far. The only potential issue I'm wondering about is if the "Ecology" section is "engaging and of a professional standard". Fantastic work has been done recently by Carlos Lehnebach and his colleagues in examing the pollination and flower development of Bartlett's rātā, and work by Curtis's Botanical Magazine has made sourcing this section quite easy but it's challenging making it well-organized and up to professional standard. I would gladlly appreciate if you could give any final advice or fix any minor issues. Either way, thank you, I'm honestly very grateful for the suggestions I've gotten over the past few weeks. :-) Alexeyevitch^(talk) 02:09, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alexeyevitch! My watchlist has been lit up recently by an unending stream of your improvements to Metrosideros bartlettii. It's been fun to watch. I just read through the entire article for the first time since the peer review, and it's in great shape. I also have that mix of nervousness and excitement, but I am hopeful.

I can do a more thorough review of the prose tomorrow (in UTC, the first two or three hours of 15 February), but I reviewed the ecology section. I made some minor changes, but I'll let you make the call on the larger changes because you know more about this plant than I do.

At the sentence level, I have three suggestions (actually four, but I only put three in the table):

Additionally, the sentence The research article also revealed that Bartlett's rātā's breeding strategy favours cross-pollination and has very little inbreeding. feels somewhat lacking. To me, a sentence like this should mention the specific strategy (in this case, dichogamy – see page 7 of van der Walt et al.).

And in terms of overall organization: Though there are only three paragraphs, I think there are really four parts of the current "ecology" section.

1. Pollinators
2. Need for cross-pollination in a 2022 study (also hybridization)
3. Self-incompatability in 2018 and 2021 studies (also hand pollination)
4. Organisms hosted by Bartlett's rātā

1 and 4 are discussed without mentioning any specific studies, which is OK and may be the better way to discuss these topics. 2 and 3 address similar things (they both basically cover self-incompatibility) but are treated separately because specific studies are mentioned. Because these two sections are being organized by study, perhaps they should also be ordered by the year the study was published. That is, the ecology section would be in four paragraphs organized thus:

1. Pollinators
2. The 2018 and 2021 studies
3. The 2022 study
4. Organisms hosted by Bartlett's rātā

I'll be back tomorrow to do some last-minute tidying up of the rest of the article, but these are my suggestions for the ecology section. I hope that at least some of this was helpful. Best, PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 08:04, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings PrinceTortoise. Thank you so much for your help over these past few weeks. By the way, I'm also in favor of spelling the number in the article (except the description section). You may of noticed that the article has recently been put up on FAC. I sort of fumbled the order of the templates (which is an annoyance) but I'm going to wait for an experienced editor for advice on how to add the template to the article talk page.

With that said, thank you for your commitment for the article, it's honestly been an honor. Cheers. :-) Alexeyevitch^(talk) 03:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexeyevitch: And so it begins... It's been a pleasure working with you. Wishing you all the best, PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 05:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]