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The Barnstar of Diligence

Hello, Dclemens1971, I have reviewed thousands of AFDs after 4 1/2 years and I must compliment you on your deletion nominations which always report on the history of an article, a detailed run-down on many if not all sources with a clear indication that a thorough BEFORE has been done. Since I see quite a lot of AFDs that simply state "Fails GNG" or "Lacks notability" (and that's all they say), the AFDs you start help both inclusionists and deletionists have a place to begin to evaluate an article and its sourcing. Additionally, while many editors post an AFD and then never return, you come back to address questions and comments through the course of a week (or two) which is even less common, unfortunately. With articles you nominate, I know they have been given due process, no matter how the discussion closes. For all of this, you are awarded the Barnstar of Exceptional Diligence. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the very kind words @Liz! Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding. Your comments are extremely helpful. -- asilvering (talk) 00:33, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 Hi Dclemens1971! I recently wrote wrote an article and that was the longest and most sourced one I wrote. I saw that you reviewed it, so I was wondering if you could critique it for me? I saw the assessment gave it a C grade, the other few I've written were just stubs or unassessed - I'm just asking to see what I could do to improve the articles I work on. Thanks! Alexthegod5 (talk) 18:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good question @Alexthegod5. The Wikipedia:Content_assessment system is not exactly like a grading system of quality. "C" was the assessment automatically assigned by the Rater tool and I didn't manually change it. Take a look at the criteria there -- at a quick glance I don't think it's quite a B-level article yet; the idea there is that the article leaves the reader without any missing information to understand the subject. Lots of my own articles are at C-class or Start-class, and that's usually because while (a) the topic is sufficiently notable to be in Wikipedia, there are (b) not enough reliable sources to make the article B-class. So you shouldn't take an assessment of "C" as a defect at all! But give me some time and I will leave you some more detailed pointers if you're interested. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 I didn't take it personally! I was actually reviewing some of the criteria for B and wasn't sure which points I might've been dinged on. I figured as much that it being a somewhat shorter article it wouldn't get that high, as finding sources about his life before he became a bishop is near non-existent. My writing style I tried taking examples from other pages, but wasn't sure if there's a specific tone or style that I could be better aiming at, also things like sources - what sources should I get, what is considered better or what to avoid, etc. Any tips would be great! Alexthegod5 (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit late to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Ciranko (2nd nomination) but the answer to your question is almost no one knows who Ciranko is. He's not really all that important to the average JW. The leadership is actually the members of the Governing Body. Historically the roles were less separated, see Jehovah's Witnesses#Nathan Knorr. There's also Jehovah's Witnesses#Organization if want further details on how JWs are structured. Kudos to 4meter4 for the in-depth source analysis in that AfD. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Clovermoss Thank you for the explanation; I know very little about how the JWs work and everything I read made me more confused. And I concur that @4meter4 had done a solid source analysis on a GNG basis. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:21, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dclemens1971! I saw that you draftified Clayton Nascimento. I previously contested a PROD of this page and added sources ideas to the talk page. Searching for sources again today, I see there is also a profile in Piauí, a Brazilian cultural magazine. I believe the subject meets WP:BASIC/WP:CREATIVE. Would you please consider reversing the draftification? Thank you. Jfire (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jfire Will do. Would you mind adding the citations to the article? Thanks for flagging! Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I've noticed that you moved my newly created pages to the current titles Zosimus (bishop of Várad) and Vincent (bishop of Várad). I can accept your move since the widespread usage of this variant in Wikipedia. However, in the past 10 years, I created several articles of Hungarian bishops and archbishops with the previous title form. You can check my article list. Altogether 87 articles. User:Borsoka [formerly followed the same method] too (when I created my first article about a Hungarian bishops who is known only by first name, I followed his version). Because of the standardization of titles of articles, could you move the names of these articles into parenthesis version (and, of course, together with redirect cleanups and wikilinks)? Beside the articles lists created by Borsoka and myself, you can discover these articles at Category:11th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Hungary and so on (until the 14th century, after that, the vast majority of bishops already had a surname). --Norden1990 (talk) 08:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Norden1990 Thanks for the comment! I don't have time to do all those moves now but will try to get around to it eventually if you aren't able to first. I only came across your pages while doing new page patrolling. And by the way, your contributions are great! Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment on Englert. I added a citation on the Discount Tire founder, Bruce Halle, crediting Englert with expanding the company from 23 to 900 stores. PS. I have no affiliation or connection to anyone in the article. As I explained to another editor, I noticed Englert was mentioned in the Discount Tire article, so I created a page on him. Fairwin99 (talk) 17:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fairwin99 I read that on your talk page. BTW, I have no concerns about conflict of interest. I do have concerns about notability, and Bruce Halle is not an independent source on Englert since they worked together. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

* Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1 charlotte ^👸♥ 21:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Highly anticipated! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's funny, I just brought you up the other day as someone I was going to keep my eye on for adminship lol. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will we be seeing this RfA soon? ~ Lindsay^Hello 21:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1 Aaron Liu (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very flattered by and appreciative of the kind messages... This is not something I had really been thinking of or aiming for, but I know how much work our admin corps do to keep this site running and if I can be useful in that role I'm not averse to it. It seems like SPI can always use more admins, and if I had the tools that's one area where I'd like to deepen my involvement. I know AfD and NPP well as a non-admin and that's obviously busy, but I'm not sure where an additional admin would be most needed and helpful. For those who've responded here, I'm genuinely curious:

• Which areas of the project do you think need the most attention from admins, and do you think my contributions line up with that work?
• What (if anything) about my record would you or others consider a drawback for adminship?

Courtesy ping to Pppery Hey man im josh Queen of Hearts LindsayH Vanderwaalforces Aaron Liu -- Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AfD and NPP are good training for a lot of related areas. I have the sense that you're the kind of person who can look at a backlog and decide "well ok, I guess this needs help, I'll learn how to do it", and that's an important kind of skill and personality to have. -- asilvering (talk) 00:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

also just saying but you may want to attach an email to your account -- asilvering (talk) 00:36, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering Done! I thought I had already done that when I signed up for The Wikipedia Library but I hadn't actually. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:36, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI that adding pings won't work unless a new signature is added. cc @Pppery@Hey man im josh@LindsayH@Vanderwaalforces@Aaron Liu charlotte ^👸♥ 00:52, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At least for me I added this because I was reviewing G5s nominated by you and thought "wouldn't it be easier if you could delete those yourself"? But honestly, I've done plenty of things as an admin that I never would have conceived of doing before my RfA, and I'm sure you will too.

Almost every RfA tends to get some opposes for silly reasons, but from the quick look I did before posting this I didn't think of any obvious drawbacks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:59, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's as much work as you want it to be. I'm of the mindset that even 5 actions a week is a positive to the project and reduces the burden on other admins, so if we can get competent folks to take on even that little, all the better.

As for the areas, you find your home as you casually stroll around. I work in some niche areas I didn't expect, and I like it. I jump around to other areas I've dabbled in to not get bored and to learn more.

As for where you could be useful, I think anywhere. Folks who know their limits and can slowly wade in to things, recognizing their blind spots and being willing to accept criticism and improve on it are invaluable. That with the proper temperament, which you seem to display, are key aspects of what I personally look for in folks. It's like clay that can molded however it wants to be. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:05, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for the additional comments. Much to think about. My sense from some editors' comments during the administrator elections was that many voters want prospective admins to have a strong sense of what they would need the tools for, whereas my approach to volunteering is more "What needs doing? Happy to learn and pitch in." If this approach would be welcome in a candidate, I'll give it some thought. (That said, I regularly patrol articles by blocked users, and if I can ease the burden on others of G5s that might be enough of a reason.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:43, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, "I could help wherever I'm needed" is more or less what I said when I went for RFA, and it worked for me. Like I said above, "happy to learn and pitch in" is a good quality for an admin to have. But you do have some pretty obvious uses for the tools - the G5s, sure, but in general admin tools are very helpful when doing NPP stuff, and if you're going to be doing more at SPI, that's pretty tool-heavy as well. You're not in danger of "no need for the tools" opposes. -- asilvering (talk) 04:35, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So it sounds like you want to work on deletion for a start, but that you're interested in exploring other opportunities where you can be contribute as well. That's fine, that's great. It also looks like you've enabled email, so I'll send a couple thoughts your way as well. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:49, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Queen of Hearts Thank you for the pointer. I still learn something new on this site every day. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:37, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Besides all of the above, from some reading, I like how you interact with people. Nearly everywhere could always use more good admins. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:56, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1 ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1 Procyon117 (talk) 15:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm late to the party, but came here as I saw you make good suggestions at WP:PERM/AP, and you would benefit from actioning these yourself. I believe PERM is an area where we can use more people, as it often takes up to a month for responses there, which slows down editor growth. The only disadvantage to the tools is that your screen gets busier, but you get used to it rapidly. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you were the person who recently moved Botswana Society For The Prevention Of Cruelty To Animals to draftspace, citing the reason that more sources were needed. I have added more sources (in total there are now 7). Seeing as you were the person who moved it to draftspace, I just thought I should let you know that I'm re-publishing it. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Personal attack removed) LgShai (talk) 07:28, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wha- RedactedHumanoid (talk) 08:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I just learned that you nominated the article Rockoons for deletion because of something called "significant coverage." The nomination resulted in the article being redirected. What must the article have to meet "significant coverage."? 2603:8000:E800:5F4E:4C31:11BA:6384:F74D (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:SIGCOV. It's another way of talking about in-depth, focused coverage of the subject -- not passing mentions. To pass the general notability guideline, we need multiple examples of SIGCOV in sources that are (a) secondary, (b) independent of the subject and (c) reliable. If you have questions about specific sources, check out WP:TEAHOUSE and thanks for asking! Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:24, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

		The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia
		This award is given in recognition to Dclemens1971 for accumulating at least 500 points during the January 2025 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions helped play a part in the 16,000+ articles and 14,000+ redirects reviewed (for a total of 19,791.2 points) completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:25, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

		Unnecessarily complicated Gears Award
		This award is given in recognition to Dclemens1971 for accumulating at least 150 points during each week of the January 2025 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 16,000+ articles and 14,000+ redirects reviewed (for a total of 19,791.2 points) during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a result of your initiative, the ARC Aerosystems page has been deleted. I propose to start a new page on VTOL Autogyros, and would have re-used some "acceptable" parts of that material. Please would you advise me as to where I can have access to the deleted material. Thanks in anticipation. Arrivisto (talk) 12:34, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an admin so I don't have access to deleted material, but if you reach to the deleting admin @Dr vulpes and enable an email address on your account, they may be able to email you the content of the deleted article. When/if you resubmit, I strongly, strongly urge you to submit it through Articles for Creation, where an experienced editor will evaluate the sources for notability, the page for neutrality/promotional content and other factors that could lead to another deletion discussion. You can also ask questions of experienced editors about sources and other issues at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Hopefully these will lead to an article on the topic that can be kept! Good luck. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:39, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Arrivisto I've emailed you a copy of the ARC Aerosystems article. I would take the advice that @Dclemens1971 has given you seriously. Dr vulpes (Talk) 12:55, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]