The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Óscar Ramírez Durand. I see a high level of support for moving this article somewhere—only one person expressed support for leaving it at its current title, and their argument was a disputed one in the discussion, so I believe the consensus to move the article is strong. As for the preferred destination, several choices were proposed, and I believe Óscar Ramírez Durand—adding the article subject's maternal surname—achieved the greatest level of consensus. The maternal surname was identified as WP:NATURAL disambiguation, in contrast to the parenthetically disambiguated options. Opponents of the maternal surname noted that it should not be added purely for disambiguation purposes (I'm unsure if this is explicitly stated in policy, but it's aligned with the guidance re: middle names at WP:MIDDLE, so it seems fair to consider); however, supporters of the maternal surname argued that the maternal surname was commonly used in RS, and a spot-check of the article's English-language sources corroborated their assertion.Another title that achieved notable support was "Óscar Ramírez (Shining Path)", but its supporters did not advance as clear of policy arguments, so I don't see the case here being as strong as for the maternal surname. It was also suggested that the diacritics be omitted, but this proposal did not appear to prompt enough support or discussion to reach consensus. Accordingly, I believe the consensus here is to move the article to Óscar Ramírez Durand. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Óscar Ramírez (terrorist) → Óscar Ramírez (Peruvian rebel) – or Óscar Ramírez (Shining Path) or Óscar Ramírez (Peruvian guerrilla leader) or Óscar Ramírez (Peruvian Maoist) or similar. There are only 8 articles on Wikipedia that use "(terrorist)" as a disambiguator, and it should generally be avoided per MOS:TERRORIST. It seems POV while also being somewhat vague. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:06, 6 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 03:46, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Oscar Ramirez (Shining Path). The English-language sources cited in the article don't use the diacritics, so leave those out too. 162 etc. (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Óscar Ramírez Durand (which already exists as a RD); natural dab, no need for parenthetical disambiguation. Moscow Mule (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:COMMONNAME applies. Unless reliable secondary sources refer to him as "Óscar Ramírez Durand", we cannot add the maternal surname simply in the interest of disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They do, the Eng-lang sources there in the article: WaPo, Scotsman, Irish Times, AP, etc. And that's where the corresponding article is on w:es, if that counts for anything. A Google Books search for "oscar ramirez comrade feliciano" or "oscar ramirez shining path" is also informative, with hits for Ramírez Durand ranging from university presses to the Rough Guide. Moscow Mule (talk) 22:33, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support move to Óscar Ramírez Durand. Disclaimer: I arrived here after a commentary by Moscow Mule [1]. We have simmilar views on this but I express my rationale in a different way. Hopefully this can convince some. Spanish naming customs -that is the inclusion of maternal surname- are widely used in English Wikipedia to differentiate articles and are preferable to debatable parenthesis and commas as well as the unimendional characterization that a single occupation implies. As such Spanish naming customs are fully aligned with Wikipedia and in widespread use. Take for example Chilean presidents Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle and Eduardo Frei Montalva (father and son). Common name of both is Eduardo Frei. It is usually not necesary to spell out the second surname as the person is often inferred from context, but when this is not clear adding the second surname is fine and fully accepted (even in English language and even here!). Also, using "terrorist" as disambiguator is awful and should in most cases be avoided. I am quite sure Óscar Ramírez did other notable things than the terrorism he is condemned for. Erosiva (talk) 23:05, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. Shining Path is recognised as a terrorist group by many countries, so its leader can clearly be defined as a terrorist. It's like saying a convicted murderer shouldn't be disambiguated with "murderer" because not everyone may recognise the law that convicted them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Murder is much more easily defined than terrorism. Countries and jurisdictions agree much more on the subject of who is a muderer than on who is a terrorist. Also, even if the Shining Path may be widely viewved as a terrorist group terrorism is not their motivation which is political perhaps now economic, and terrorism is not their only tactic. Erosiva (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I think the question is not whether he can be accurately called a terrorist or not. It is whether that term should be used in the article title as the best way to distinguish him from other people who are known as "Óscar Ramírez". The term is inherently rather POV and non-specific as to aspects like nationality, political party, the type of behavior that is being characterized as terrorism, etc. It's a question of choice – is this the best way to identify him? To me the current article seems like it is using judgmental and vague name-calling as part of topic identification. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Óscar Ramírez (Peruvian rebel) or Óscar Ramírez (Shining Path) if it's necessary for consensus to be formed. Terrorist should probably never be used as the disambiguator, see MOS:TERRORIST, and we should be more stringent on titles. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:33, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Peru and WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography have been notified of this discussion. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 03:46, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Óscar Ramírez Durand I see no reason to add a disambiguation when the full name is available. And all of the sources used in the article use his full name. Paprikaiser (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]