The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 05:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Herndon Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Not notable primary school, no assertion of notability made. Came up in CAT:CSD tagged as {{db-nonsense}} which obviously is not applicable, but given the argument surrounding the deletion of school articles and the potential to be accused of bias if I deleted it as {{db-bio}} I am listing it here. Viridae^Talk 11:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article was edited after te nom and sourced. I now believe it may be notable. No vote either way. Viridae^Talk 00:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. MER-C 12:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Changed to neutral. MER-C 03:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. --- RockMFR 14:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. There were plenty of sources if anyone had just bothered to do a one-minute Google search. I've added some info to the article that brings it well into notability. Highfructosecornsyrup 18:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, meets content policies, ergo notable. JYolkowski // talk 22:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Nothing notable about it, IMHO. MrHarman 01:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. But barely. It is verifiable per the articles sourced, and noteable, in my opinion, because of the French-language immersion program -- a rarity in American elementary education. I'm removing the bit about the student, however, as its irrelevant to the school. The student is the focus of the article, the school is mentioned by association. Consequentially 03:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to local municipality, delete. Consequentially 00:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • Comment per the GFDL is we merge we need to leave a redirect in place. JoshuaZ 00:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete The language-immersion program is offered by many elementary and middle schools in Fairfax County -- 4 kindergartens, 13 elementary schools, and 13 middle schools. The program is notable, but it seems a better idea to have an article about it than to have 30 school articles on the basis of participation in it. Aside from the program, the references show that the school has a business partnership with an organization that helps it purchase supplies and occasionally offers a guest speaker (not unusual), and that the school occasionally brings in guest speakers on occasions such as Read Across America Day (not unusual). Suggest deleting or merging/redirecting the school info to the appropriate locality, and creating an article about the program (which can also list its participant schools). Shimeru 05:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware that the program was so common in the area. With that in mind, I'll be changing my vote. Consequentially 00:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Merge with Herndon, Virginia. Redirects to place articles are the only effective way of dealing with schoolcruft articles about non-notable elementary schools. DrKiernan 10:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Calling something *cruft isn't a good reason to do one thing or another. To use a ridiculous example, I could call the article on George Washington "Presidentcruft" JoshuaZ 23:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Heh, you're right, that is a ridiculous, absurd example. And it doesn't help to advance your case. When someone calls something schoolcruft it is shorthand for "non-notable school"; it is not merely just about calling something cruft. Nobody would ever use the term presidentcruft, nor try to delete George Washington as non-notable. --Cyde Weys 04:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • The concern to me is that the term *Cruft has been used in AfDs even when something is notable by notability standards. Cruft is a term which can be uncivil and it isn't always clear that people actually mean something is non-notable. In any event, "nn school" is shorter and makes that point clear. JoshuaZ 05:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • From an aesthetics standpoint, though, I think people like saying "schoolcruft" more than "nn school". Of course, this is avoiding a larger issue ... that AFD isn't a vote, and if that is all someone is saying, they're not backing up their reasoning at all. --Cyde Weys 05:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• I've amended my original comment to assuage JoshuaZ. I still think it's non-notable even after the edits. If you think it should be deleted, I suggest to you that a merge/redirect is ideal because it will prevent the article from being recreated and an administrator having to delete it again. If you think the information should be kept what harm can it do to have it on Herndon, Virginia instead of a separate page? DrKiernan 15:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or Redirect per Shimeru's logic. JoshuaZ 23:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If teaching French is notable,;)DGG 00:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Shimeru. -- Kicking222 14:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Substantial edits since this discussion opened show the shcool has a partnership with a US Govt. branch. That's the kind of significant info we should be bringing to our school article reading public. --JJay 00:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Can you explain how a minor business connection is notable? JoshuaZ 01:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• At the time of nomination the article consisted of one line [1]. It now has five referenced lines on the school and its programs. You are free to characterize the information as "minor", but I think it is exactly the kind of info needed to develop school articles. Wasn't that clear in my original comment? --JJay 02:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Now we're getting somewhere. I don't care for school articles where there's nothing notable going on, but this looks better. While the French language thing is not that notable, I'm impressed by the business partnership, which looks to me like something worth knowing more about. Let's have a couple of sentences telling us what this is all about. And, amazingly for me, I'm persuaded into a Weak Keep. WMMartin 18:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.