What do you do when there's a potential unknown Citogenesis situation due to the point of reference being excluded from archive.org? The org's official website is excluded from archive.org

https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=693335104&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Foutsidein.org%2Fabout-us%2Fhistory%2F

The source includes the article subject's official website, but some of the matching part was not sourced to the company website. The first paragraph in the organization's current website is pretty much the same as the Wikipedia's version 9 years ago. Looking through the edit history, the organization was heavily involved in messing with the article in the past, so they're quite aware of the page's existence.

This can make it look like Wikipedia ripped it from them, but it might be that their most recent page was in-part written from Wikipedia. Who knows. Since that part of Wikipedia was initially written by an establish user rather than company PR, it looks like part of Wikipedia page might have been used by the organization to write their current page. What should we do in cases like this? I reworded that part of the sentence, but maybe that was unnecessary. Graywalls (talk) 04:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It can be tricky. I have seen a case where a website seems to have copied from WP very shortly after the content first appeared on WP (fooled me for a while), a case where various changes to a web site and a WP article appear to have been copied back and forth, and a case where content on an academic website was apparently not created until a couple of years after the same content appeared in WP, but the website creator insisted that they had originated the content and owned the copyright. Even if you are very sure that someone has copied from WP, if they are insistent that they do own the copyright, it may not be worth fighting. After all, WP contents are not set in concrete. Donald Albury 16:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, nobody challenged anything on copyright ground, but I can see something like this triggering a copyvio detector. Graywalls (talk) 02:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like 'be insistent' is a strategy to obfuscate ownership on every website ever. When WP legal calls to nudge them about our earliest version being older than theirs, they can insistently claim seniority, and say that their last CTO disallowed ia_archiver ever since the company was founded, and when the new CTO took over, he allowed it for the first time. And when did that happen? Oh, uh, um, just a couple of months after Wikipedia's first version of it in the history. Just coincidence; truly. Mathglot (talk) 05:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graywalls: I think you are describing a {{Backwards copy}}. In 15+ years it only has 1,900 usages, but it probably should have a million. -- GreenC 06:02, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please replace the header styling at the top of the page with this CSS:

Specifically, change this:

Aasim (話す（はなす）) 17:38, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:06, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: Can you remove the "black" part from the border so it is actually visible in dark mode? So that it reads border: 1px solid; Aasim (話す（はなす）) 20:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reopening to get further attention. The style should read background-color: #ff000010; color: inherit; border: 1px solid; padding: 1ex; margin: 1ex; margin-right: 20em; min-width: 20em; (noticed the removed word "black" because the border color is implied). Aasim (話す（はなす）) 17:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More professional looking, also used it to test the template's application and looks great for readability:

See at User:Waddie96/sandbox2. May have to protect Template:Colored box in case.

Diff:

waddie96 ★ (talk) 00:34, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A rewrite this substantial feels like something that should be discussed somewhere like the village pump first before being submitted for an admin to implement. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:43, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § c-Voorts-20250803173200-Policy proposal discussion alert

waddie96 ★ (talk) 19:04, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re-open—consensus achieved @Pppery. waddie96 ★ (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:19, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery Oh shucks I must have just replied as you copied it and replied, but I changed the link to

[[Wikipedia:Copyright#Reusers' rights and obligations|Reusers' rights and obligations]]

and this one

[[foundationsite:about/press/|Foundation:Press contacts]]

that has been dead for a while. waddie96 ★ (talk) 21:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just made a change as one of the links had expired a while ago. waddie96 ★ (talk) 21:19, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:28, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Pppery and Waddie96: Slight nitpick, but can I suggest that "For members of the media, see Foundation:Press contacts, others see Wikipedia:Contact us." be changed to "For members of the media, see Foundation:Press contacts; others, see Wikipedia:Contact us." The original wording reads like a comma splice to me, which a semicolon would avoid. SnowFire (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

   Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:31, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I approve of the above change, but I'd like to reduce the SMOG reading score without changing the structure or meaning.

According to this online tool, the box at the top of this policy today is SMOG index 16.17 (undergraduate-level reading). I propose the following revision:

Important note:

 Please do not ask the Wikimedia Foundation for consent to reuse article text or images.

The Foundation does not own that content and cannot consent. Not even if your organization needs consent from website operators before copying text.

 When to contact the Wikimedia Foundation

The only Wikipedia content that needs consent from the Wikimedia Foundation is use of its trademarked logos. These logos are not freely licensed. They need written consent for reuse.

For members of the press, see Foundation:Press contacts. Others see Wikipedia:Contact us.

 Reusing article text

You already have consent to edit and reuse article text under open content licenses by the authors, as long as your use complies with the licensing terms, gives proper attribution, and licenses any changes under the same terms.

If you wish to reuse content from Wikipedia, read this first. Then review the licenses: the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License and the GNU Free Documentation License.

 Reusing images

Images on Wikipedia are not always covered by the same license as article text. Each image has its own license. Some images are freely reusable. Others are restricted or non-free. These may not be reused or modified without explicit consent from the original author. If an image was uploaded against Wikipedia policy, reusing it could infringe copyright.

According to the same online tool, this revision has a SMOG index of 12.36, which would be what Americans call 7th-grade English.—S Marshall T/C 12:28, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:41, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Please change consent back to permission since: Essentially, permission is the specific act of getting authorization, while consent can be a more general term for allowing usage., and it is the more common in the English language as it relates to copyright.[1]
• Knit picky, but small grammar correction now that changes:

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: The Foundation does not own that content and cannot consent. Not even if your organization needs consent from website operators before copying text.

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: The Foundation does not own that content and cannot grant permission/consent. This applies even if your company, school, or organization requires permission from website operators before copying material.

• Please keep in the third-person for formality:

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; {{symbol|OOjs UI icon articles-rtl.svg}}<span class="nowrap"> </span>{{color|#101418|Reusing article text}} : You already have consent to edit and reuse article text under open content licenses by the authors, as long as your use complies with the licensing terms, gives proper attribution, and licenses any changes under the same terms.

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; {{symbol|OOjs UI icon articles-rtl.svg}}<span class="nowrap"> </span>{{color|#101418|Reusing Wikipedia article text}} : Permission to reuse and modify article text is already granted under open-content licenses by the original authors, as long as such use complies with the applicable licensing terms, provides proper attribution and licenses any modifications under the same terms.

• A bad link is a link exactly like this (MOS:LINK MOS:EGG):

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: If you wish to reuse content from Wikipedia, read [[Wikipedia:Copyright#Reusers' rights and obligations|this]] first. Then review the licenses: the [[Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License|Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License]] and the [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]].

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: If you wish to reuse content from Wikipedia, read [[Wikipedia:Copyright#Reusers' rights and obligations|§ Reusers' rights and obligations]] first, then review the licenses: the [[Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License|Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License]] and the [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]].

Thank you. waddie96 ★ (talk) 18:24, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done I've addressed the specific issues you pointed out, while also trying to keep the language less technical akin to S Marshall's proposed style, and resulting in a SMOG score of 13.97 as opposed to 14.64 in your version. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:10, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please merge version at User:Matrix/sandbox4 for dark mode compatibility. —Matrix(!) _{ping one}^{when replying} {u - t? - _uselessc} 17:53, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Description of suggested change: adjust the: |§ Reusers' rights and obligations

Diff:

waddie96 ★ (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:57, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Use more helpful CC image license tags. —Matrix _{ping me}^{when u reply} (t? - c) 09:54, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fix per MOS:DOUBLEBOLD.

Also, the third shortcut should be removed per WP:2SC. It's not even a shortcut: typing the full page name (WP:Copyrights) is actually faster than typing the supposed "shortcut" WP:COPYRIGHT, because it doesn't even require the use of CAPS-LOCK or holding the Shift key.

FaviFake (talk) 14:56, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done FaviFake (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please append to the "Copyright violations" section an additional paragraph:

If you believe an external site or publication has abused the copyright of content you have contributed to Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks#Non-compliance process.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:09, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:23, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:32, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1262#Dr. Emily Lazarou (Forensic Psychiatrist) has a statement about Large language models being a violation of licensing since, if for example ChatGPT learned what to write, and that was used, the authors are unknown. I don't think this particular violation is included in the guidelines. I'm sure the concept is in guidelines somewhere but not this particular violation.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:56, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Link "fair use" in each section where it occurs:

§ Linking to copyrighted works

§ Non-free materials and special requirements

— W.andrea (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please add this video near the top of the page; flush right in the big white space adjacent to the TOC would be a natural spot for it, imho.

The Wikipedia-produced YouTube video entitled, "Wikipedia editing basics- Plagiarism and copyright violation" has just been uploaded to Commons (see background). This 3 1/2 minute video is an ideal accompaniment to this project page. The still image that appears on it was apparently chosen by the upload software, and I am looking into how to pick a possibly better still, but I think it's worth making the video available as soon as possible as it does a really good job of explaining it.

[[File:Wikipedia editing basics- Plagiarism and copyright violation.webm|right|325px]]

Regarding image size: I think 300 or 325px would be ideal on this page because of the big white space by the ToC (and on mobile it will just be screen width so doesn't matter). You can see how it looks at 280px at WP:Plagiarism, where on that page, a slightly narrower image works better (and if consistency with banners above and below are desired, it will have to be reduced further anyway). However on this page, there is plenty of room, and at 300 or 325px the words become legible without too much strain, and the overall effect is more pleasing. The image shown here is 225px. Note that the video is currently in Commons category c:Category:License review needed as needing review, but since Wikipedia itself is the author and the video appears in the official YouTube Wikipedia channel, I am assuming this needn't hold things up. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:40, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

FIKRU KASSA Kidemew

Hiher Education (University) • Addis Ababa University - B.A. in Theatre Arts, June 2000 • Addis Ababa University - B.A. in Social Anthropology and Sociology (withdrew in the 3rd year) • Addis Ababa University - M.A. in Public Relations and Strategic Communication (withdrew in the 1st year) Diploma • 2010: Advanced Diploma in Visual Storytelling, organized by Johns Hopkins School of Public Health Center for Communication Programs • 2005: Diploma in Documentary Films, Graduate School of Journalism and Communication, Addis Ababa University • 2002: Diploma in PC Application Software, Hibbir Computer Training Center Certifications • Feb 16-19, 1999: Certificate in Theatre for Development, organized by the Ministry of Culture and Information • March 2004: Participation in the Curriculum Development Workshop for Level 1, 2 & 3 Students in Theatre Arts, organized by the Ministry of Education, Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia • 2006: Certificate in Child Rights, Graduate School of Journalism and Communication, Addis Ababa University • August 14-31, 2006: Certificate of Participation in Training/Workshop on Creating a Print Serial Drama Using Modeling and Reinforcement to Combat HIV/AIDS (MARCH) Principles, organized by Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, AIDS Resource Center, and CDC Ethiopia • Nov 27, 2006 - Dec 24, 2006: Certificate in Basics of HIV/AIDS and Other Sexually Transmitted Infections, organized by Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, AIDS Resource Center, and CDC Ethiopia • October 8-19, 2007: Certificate in Leadership in Strategic Communication for HIV/AIDS, organized by Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, AIDS Resource Center, and CDC Ethiopia • September 1-5, 2008: Certificate of Participation in Training/Workshop on Male Gender Norms Transformation and HIV/AIDS, organized by EngenderHealth and Johns Hopkins School of Public Health Center for Communication Programs Education • High School: Shewarobit Secondary School • Junior High School: Worwora Chagni Junior School • Elementary School: Pawi Elementary School, Benshangul Gumuz Region Work Experience 1. Deputy CEO and creativity cluster head Ethiopian broadcasting Corporation February14, 2024 – Present Addis Ababa Ethiopia 2. Editor-in-Chief Fana Broadcasting Corporate (Entertainment Department) April 8, 2015 - February 13, 2024 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia 3. Public Relations and Marketing Promotion Officer Bis Vegetables & Fruits Agro Industry S.C January 2014 - April 7, 2015 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia 4. Scriptwriter and Communication Advisor AIDS Resource Center, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Center for Communication Programs October 25, 2006 – September 30, 2013 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia 5. Theatre Expert and Public Relations Officer Children and Youth Theatre May 12, 2003 - October 2006 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia 6. Public Relations Officer Hager Fikir Theatre August 20, 2001 - May 2003 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia 7. Theatre Expert Mega Creative Art Center February 21, 2000 - August 2002 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia 8. Reporter Addis Raey Newspaper, International Communications P.L.C September 25, 1999 - February 2000 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia Creative Writing Writing and Directing • One Act Radio Plays: Wrote and directed a 56-part series broadcast on Fana Broadcasting Corporate. • ጀንበር Radio Drama: Wrote and directed 178 episodes broadcast on Fana Broadcasting Corporate. • Azurit (አዙሪት) Radio Drama: Directed and coordinated this drama focused on women's empowerment, broadcast on Fana Broadcasting Corporate. • Malefiya (ማለፊያ) Radio Drama: Directed this 70-episode serial, broadcast on Fana Broadcasting Corporate. • Yaleworede Shekim (ያልወረደ ሸክም) Radio Drama: Directed, broadcast on Fana Broadcasting Corporate. • Yedegu Lijoch (የደጉ ልጆች) Radio Drama: Wrote and directed this 30-part serial for KOICA Ethiopia, focusing on promoting knowledge, attitude, and behavioral changes in population and reproductive health in Ethiopia, broadcast on Amhara Mass Media. • Finot (ፍኖት) Radio Drama: Wrote and directed this 30-part drama for the Korea International Cooperation Agency, broadcast on Amhara Radio. • Sefere Tsidu (ሰፈረ-ጽዱ) Radio Drama: Wrote this one-year serial promoting improved health and nutrition practices among urban and peri-urban inhabitants of Ethiopia for JSI. • Shifinfin (ሽፍንፍን) Radio Drama: Wrote and directed this 52-part serial addressing the causes, symptoms, and treatments of tuberculosis, broadcast on Fana Broadcasting Corporate. • Gemena 2 (ገመና 2) TV Serial Drama: Created and wrote this series broadcast on ETV. • Chewata Program: Wrote approximately 30 one-act radio dramas for FM 102.1 and FM 97.1, half of which were rebroadcast at the audience's request. • Ashenkitab (አሸንክታብ) Radio Drama: Wrote this 32-part series addressing tetanus toxoid, broadcast on Radio Fana. • Ashenkitab (አሸንክታብ) Video Film: Wrote this 70-minute Amharic film for Save the Children USA, focusing on anti-tetanus toxoid campaign, with English subtitles. • Black Tigers (ጥቁዋቁር ነብሮች) Print Serial Drama: Wrote this 40-part series for the National Defense Force of Ethiopia. • Life 101 Print Serial Drama: Wrote this 30-part series for Addis Ababa University (AAU). • Shooting Stars (ተወርዋሪ ኮከቦች) Print Serial Drama: Wrote this 20-part series for the Federal Police. • Mawoq Degu (ማወቅ ደጉ) Video Film: Wrote this film focusing on nutrition for Alive and Thrive. • Mutach (ሙጣጭ) Stage Play: Wrote this full-length play addressing migration issues for the International Organization for Migration (IOM). • Metasebiya (መታሰቢያ) Video Film: Wrote this film addressing maternal and newborn health for EMORY University’s Maternal & Newborn Health in Ethiopia Partnership (MaNHWP). • Yeshinbira Tila (የሽንብራ ጥላ) Video Film: Wrote this 45-minute film for DKT Ethiopia, focusing on family planning. • Radio and TV Dramas for the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission: Wrote 3 radio dramas and 2 TV dramas, each 30 minutes, including titles such as "Yehabesha Gutowoch (የሃበሻ ጉቶዎች)", "Negbene (ነግበኔ)", "Yekebit BalemuYawoch (የከብት ባለሙያዎች)", "Senselet (ሰንሰለት)", "Nege (ነገ)", and "Wodet New (ወዴት ነው)". • Youth Play on HIV/AIDS: Wrote a full-length play staged at the Children and Youth Theatre. • Gender Issues Radio Drama: Wrote a 40-minute radio drama titled "Hulet Gize Almotim (ሁለት ጊዜ አልሞትም)" for the Ethiopian National Theatre. • HIV/AIDS Stage Drama: Wrote a one-hour stage drama for New Developmental Vision. • Evangelical Church Plays: Wrote 2 one-act plays for different evangelical churches. • Ethiopian National Radio: Wrote a 10-part radio drama series. • Ayelech Fikre Documentary: Wrote and directed a documentary film titled "The Success Story of Ayelech Fikre," highlighting the achievements of a well-known Ethiopian farmer. • የዋቆ ልጆች Radio Drama: Wrote a 13-part radio serial for JHU_CCP, focusing on nutrition. • Various TV and Radio Spots: Wrote numerous spots for JHU_CCP, Hagere Fikr Theatre, Children and Youth Theatre, Bis Vegetables & Fruits Agro Industry S.C., Alive & Thrive, PSI Ethiopia, Admas Advertising, and Sheger FM Radio. TV and Radio Show Creator / Producer • Creator of Ehude Bet television program ( EBC) • Creator and producer of FANA 80 TV show (FMC) • Contributor to ETV News Show • Creator and producer of news and entertainment programs for EBC Ethiopian Radio • Creator of Fana Mamar Behager, Fana Fana 80, and Fana Fana Kelemät TV programs • Creator of various ETV Entertainment Shows ( Saturday entertaiments)

Freelance Work

Teaching Experience • 2016-2022: Part-time Lecturer at Addis Ababa University, Department of Theatre Arts. Taught Playwriting, Children's Theatre, Radio Drama, and Television Production. • 2003: Freelance Theatre Teacher at Segel, Louret, and Messile Theatre Promotions. • 2002: Freelance Theatre Teacher at Alpha Art Association for two Years . • 2000: Theatre and Journalism Teacher at Entoto Technical Academic and Vocational School for three months. Creative Consultancy • 2015-2020: Creative Consultant at Kiba Multimedia Production PLC. Critique and Training • 2006: Critic (contract) for the Family Guidance Association of Ethiopia (Main Office). • April-September 2004: Theatre Arts Trainer for the Addis Ababa Amateur Club organized by Addis Ababa Administration. Directing Experience • Directed 22 TV dramas for Addis Ababa City Administration (ETV 2). • Directed 14 documentary films. • Directed a one-hour TV drama for the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission, presented on ETV. • Directed a full-length children's play at the Children and Youth Theatre. • Directed two one-act plays in Ethiopian Evangelical Church. • Managed a two-hour TV drama titled "Elzabel," presented on ETV. Performance Experience • Acted in over 10 radio dramas for FM Addis's "Chewata" Program. • Acted in a full-length play at Mega Creative Art Center, titled "Yebructawit Sitsota." • Acted in TV dramas "Fozia" and "Yekirb Ruk," presented on ETV. Publications • 2000: Four articles published in the Amharic newspapers "Addis Lisan" and "Ruh." • 2001-2002: Nine articles published in the Amharic art magazine "Fert." • 2003: Editor of "Timihirt Bettie" magazine, special issue for Mega Advertisement Enterprise. • 2004: Article "Film Market in Ethiopia" published in the Journal of Addis Ababa City Theatre Hall. • 2006: Article "How to Use Creative Drama for Ethiopian" published in the Journal of Ethiopian National Theatre. • 2007: Article "Children Entertainment in Ethiopia" published in the Journal of Ethiopian National Theatre. • 2014: Editor of "Bis Magazine," special issue for Bis Vegetables and Fruits Agro Industry S.C. Paper Presentations • 2004: o "The Life and Works of Asrate Anley" for the Russia Cultural Center. o "How to Improve the Service of Children and Youth Theatre in Addis Ababa City Administration" for Addis Ababa Information and Cultural Bureau. • 2005: o "The Techniques and Theories of Developmental Theatre" for Children and Youth Theatre. • 2006: o "History of Children and Youth Theatre in Addis Ababa" for Addis Ababa Information and Cultural Bureau. • 2011: o "How to Write a Children's Play" for Children and Youth Theatre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fikru2k (talk • contribs) 10:27, 18 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]