The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus - default to keep Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 01:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Non notable fanfic film. Have been tagged as speedy but probably won't fall under CSD. --218.212.99.216 00:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Vanity Banana04131 00:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per above - not eligible for CSD though. PJM 03:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. --Nlu 04:21, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per above. 23skidoo 04:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Film by two highschool students. Herostratus 07:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Given that it is now relatively easy to make a fanfic film and distribute it over the internet, some statement of why this is a particularly notable fanfic film is really required to justify an article. This merely states that it exists. Average Earthman 09:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - not notable Barneyboo 09:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Film has a big article on Wired Magazine this month. Link shows the listing now, embargoed online until the next issue comes out. Jtmichcock 12:34, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• It may be appearing in Wired, but all the above still applies. Delete. Peeper 13:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep appearing in wired, so none of the above applies. Kappa 14:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I've seen it and it's terrific- I found it on Kazaa acually. It isn't very widespread yet but it's growing... Klingonpixie 10:55, 24 November 2005 (Note: This user's first edit)

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It's different from the one in Wired, actually a much smaller fanfic film, but it's really excellent. Worthawholebean 11:38, 24 November 2005 (EST)

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep, or more precisely wait and see. If it's notable enough to be appearing in Wired, and particularly if the article on it is as major as Jtmichcock implies, then it's possible that this is something which is becoming widely-enough known to break through the fancruft threshold and deserve an article. So I'd say we should keep it for now, and if in a couple of months everyone's forgotten it again, then we can bring it back to AfD and reconsider.

  In particular, note that its appearance in Wired makes it verifiable and not original research, and the article is written with a textbook neutral point of view: that means it passes all the fundamental tests. I wasn't aware that having been filmed by highschool students was a criterion for deletion.

  (After edit conflict, I note that we have a voter above claiming that this is not the film featured in Wired. That would change my opinion: can anyone verify?) — Haeleth Talk 16:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. A Google search for "Star Trek: A New Beginning" has 10 unique links see [1]. No Google News returns for it either [2]. I could find no trace of the Wired article either in the results or on its own site. Therefore, it is just a non-canonical film made by two high-school students. While it is good that they making their own films, it isn't notable at this stage. Capitalistroadster 17:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• merge to Star Trek, other storylines no need for solo article right now. Sethie 20:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, whether it's in Wired on or not it's still a fanfilm of no note with extremely limited online presence. User:Zoe|^(talk) 22:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I have seen this film. It is becoming something of an internet phenomenon in my school (no relation to the school of these students). Perhaps it will become more popular globally with time. --Qilai8888 01:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • User's only edits are to the article and this AfD. User:Zoe|^(talk) 02:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Kappa. Stifle 16:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep notable enough--MONGO 01:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I have also seen this film and feel it is notable within its targeted audience. It should be noted that Star Wreck seems to be deemed Wikiworthy® Sulfur 06:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User only has 144 edits however since he/she is obviously not a sockpuppet I am counting this vote. Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This film is popular in Korea to. The visual FX are really good especial for high school students (view the preview for yourself) --Kimsungli 08:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • User's only edit. User:Zoe|^(talk) 02:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Let's see this supposed Wired article. Until then it's just another piece of fanfic. Gamaliel 09:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Article or not, why should notable fan-fiction be excluded from wikipedia by principle, especially since other Star Trek fan films have a place on wikipedia, notable and otherwise. --219.79.40.45 10:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where we write about things that exist, not things that people hope will exist. We are not a PR firm here to publicize somebody's fan crap.

User:Zoe|^(talk) 00:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• • ...I think that this fan film does exist...which is why there is an article about it and an option to download it. I'm not sure that these students believe that wikipedia is a PR firm so much as they feel their film deserves representation on wikipedia (did they even write this article or did someone else?). It is inappropriate for you to call this "fan crap". Have you seen it yourself? It is quite good. --Drno007 07:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The reason that this is my first post and that my only edits pertain to this article is that this is the only article I have felt inspired to edit. I am not a "sock-puppet", but I do feel that this film, at my school alone, is so popular that, at the very least, it should be allowed in Star Trek, other storylines, and it would be prudent to give it its own article. --Qilai8888 09:09, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Even if there is a Wired article about it -- which doesn't seem to be true -- doesn't make a high-school film worth an article. --Calton | Talk 00:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It seems to me that the fact that this film's makers were high school students is being held against them. On the contrary, I think its more impressive that a video like that could have been made by high school students and for only $5.00. That is what I believe makes this notable. If it is really expanding in popularity, wikipedia will look foolish if this article is removed if there is the possiblity it might have to be reinstated. --Noah211 06:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote discounted by closing admin Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 01:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.