Talk:Talaat Pasha

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Mass murderer category

Would the mass murderer category be appropriate here? 2600:100C:A20D:BB75:8163:18A:8713:C894 (talk) 01:24, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How many people did he kill? 72.69.210.72 (talk) 02:58, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to Talaat's own estimate—841,161. (t · c) buidhe 05:20, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe I have read Talat Pasha's (actually Murat Bardakçı's) book and there is no estimated death toll amounting to 841,161. Do not cite books you haven't read. 95.12.116.104 (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, that is the number of deported Armenian apostolic church members who were missing in 1917, according to Talat's estimate. The question for Bardakçı and other deniers is what happened to these people and a more parsimonious explanation for the deaths of most of them, other than the mainstream explanation of a genocide organized by the Ottoman government. (t · c) buidhe 20:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe No, Bardakçı gives the number of transported ("missing") Armenians as 924,158, not 841,161 (p. 77). The number 841,161 is not present in the book at all. Also, he does not give any explanation on what happened to those Armenians; he only provides the data. 95.12.116.104 (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That latter figure is based on a comparison of the number of deportees with the number of people Talat reported to be surviving in the end destinations. I don't know whether Talat made these calculations himself but you can find them published in many sources. (t · c) buidhe 06:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe Yes, those are Ara Sarafian's calculations not Talat Pasha's. They are not present in the original published by Bardakçı. But I can definitely tell you that the number of surviving Armenian refugees is 817,837 + 95K converts by 1922 according to a document of the US State Department. You can read it from this article (p. 132, "Approximate number of Armenians in the World, NARA 867.4016/816"). 95.12.116.104 (talk) 16:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not interested in humoring you any more but there is a good reason why we don't rely on cherry picked primary sources. Most of the estimates for the number of surviving Ottoman Armenians are much lower. (t · c) buidhe 18:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe This information is based on figures provided by the British Embassy in Istanbul, the Near East Relief and the League of Nations. You cannot dismiss this as "cherry picked". 95.12.116.104 (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boulevard and Monument Erected in Honor of Talaat Pasha on May 30, 2025

According to independent Istanbul news outlet Bianet (link here: https://bianet.org/yazi/mansur-yavasin-talat-pasa-aniti-tarihi-inkar-soykirima-selam-307986) a monument was erected in Ankara on May 30, 2025 on Talaat Pasha Boulevard in the Altındağ district of Ankara "in order to keep alive the memory of Talaat Pasha, one of the leading figures of the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) who served in the last period of the Ottoman Empire." Should this be added to the legacy section of this article to show that even over a hundred years later Talaat Pasha still has relevance in Turkey, and his role in the Armenian genocide denied? This was done in the capital of Turkey, Ankara, and officiated by the mayor of Ankara, Mansur Yavaş who is also a major political figure in Turkish politics, who stated that this monument aims to "not forget statesmen like Talat Pasha and diplomats who were martyred abroad during the Republican period; to keep the historical continuity and state memory of the capital Ankara alive." 2605:59C8:215A:B110:C176:1072:878E:EB98 (talk) 03:53, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be added (t · c) buidhe 03:57, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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