Talk:Shroud of Turin

Former featured articleShroud of Turin is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Main Page trophyThis article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on December 25, 2004.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 15, 2004Featured article candidatePromoted
November 29, 2007Featured article reviewDemoted
October 23, 2010Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former featured article


    Blood group

    It has been claimed that the blood is AB group, but that would actually debunk the claim that the blood is Ancient. Since AB group appeared in the Middle Ages or Early Modern period. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:00, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Tgeorgescu Have they tested its DNA to see if the blood originates from someone Jewish, or to determine the ethnicity of the blood donor of the Shroud? Stevenmitchell (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No. Part of the problem is that researchers can only work with a very small number of very tiny samples, becuase no one wants to damage the artifact. Also, blood degrades over time. It's not likely that one could get viable DNA from a sample that is seven or eight hundred years old, much less two thousand. It is also not trivial to determine blood type on a sample that old, which is why the "type AB" result is disputed. The chemical markers that determine blood type degrade over time.
    Another problem is contamination. There have been DNA studies done on the Shroud. They found DNA from many different people because over the centuries many people have touched or handled the shroud. There is no way to determine which if any of those DNA samples might have come from the time of the shroud's creation.--Srleffler (talk) 16:33, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Kearse Kelly sources

    We now have:

    It has been claimed that the blood is AB group and that this implies the source was a Semitic person, but both claims are dubious.[1] A previous study in 2020 showed that there is no definitive assignment of human nor primate blood on the Shroud, but the "blood is most correctly classified as species unknown."[2]

    I don't think this makes much sense as the 2025 source says "Thus, it can no longer be claimed that the blood on the Shroud has been scientifically demonstrated to be of human, or even primate, origin. " Surely we don't need both? I'd argue that we just keep the 2025 source but change the text it sources.

    References

    1. ^ Kearse, Kelly P. (2025). "The Aggrandizement of Scientific Data in the Media: The Shroud of Turin blood marks as a case example". Forensic Science International: Reports 100430. doi:10.1016/j.fsir.2025.100430. Retrieved 21 September 2025.
    2. ^ Kearse, Kelly P. (2020-12-01). "Unanticipated issues in serological analysis of blood species - The Shroud of Turin as a case example". Forensic Science International: Reports. 2: 100073. doi:10.1016/j.fsir.2020.100073. ISSN 2665-9107.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: article number as page number (link)

    Doug Weller talk 13:50, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    just keep the 2025 source but change the text I agree. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:14, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. Squatch347 (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]