The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.‎

The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elena Volkova (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Artist which does not appear to meet notability standards. It is virtually impossible to verify the information presented, as all but one of the references are in languages other than English, and that one does not mention her. Seeing as how this is English Wikipedia, we need some way for English-speaking editors to verify this information readily -- please don't say "Go have them translated," because that's simply not practical for our purposes. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. WP:ARTIST has no language restrictions; a reliable source is a reliable source, no matter which language it's written in. WP:NONENG just says that if' there are english-language sources, then we should use those in preference to foreign language sources; it doesn't devalue foreign-language sources otherwise. In this particular case, I'm no great linguist, but I had a look through the sources and they do seem to have direct coverage of the person that the article is about. If it subsequently turns out that there are differences in meaning (ie. specific claims in the article don't fit what the sources say), then that's a content problem which should be fixed by correcting the content rather than deleting the article. bobrayner (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's the problem here. Using machine translations, I just can't seem to find anything that addresses her in a relevant way. But that is probably due to my lack of knowledge of Russian as well. As you might can tell, this is not an AfD that I have very strong feelings about. It just appears that this artists does not meet notability standards, given what we can go on. I'm more than willing to be proved wrong on this, however. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 02:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I changed the reference of Nathalia Brodskaia's book; I put English version : Nathalia Brodskaia and Viorel Rau "Naive Art" ed. Parkstone International ISBN 978-1-85995-674-8

This book can be read at : http://www.all-art.org/art_20th_century/modern_art/Naive%20art1.htm

We can see 2 mentions about Elena Volkova :

I. Birth of Naive Art

3° chapter : Discovery - the Banquet in Rousseau's Honour

3° picture : Elena A. Volkova, "Young Girl from Siberia"

and :

II. Back to the Sources: From the Primitives to Modern Art

3° chapter : Naive Artists and Folk Art

11° paragraph : "Yelena Volkova came to painting at a mature age, but her creative imagination draws on her childhood memories, particularly those filled with the dazzling colours of the village fairs. Folk crafts were still blossoming in Russia in those days. Pottery, lacework, wooden toys and household articles, and so forth, were an integral part of ordinary rural life. Unhappily, today many of these traditions have been irretrievably lost. Yet aesthetic notions that derive from them continue to have some influence not only in rural districts but in urban areas too." --Qqchose2sucre (talk) 11:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Helpful. You're making your case well. Let's let the discussion play out a bit more. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 21:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. -- Jujutacular ^talk 13:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Like, Total Keep, Like. Live and Let Edit. 84.13.209.43 (talk) 16:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Nomination has no basis in policy and is flatly contradicted by Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources. I already pointed out that this rationale was a misapprehension in relation to an earlier PROD, but the nominator seems set on following his own ideas here rather than our policies. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I patiently stated before, there simply isn't enough (maybe "wasn't" now) information that we can verify that confirms the facts supplied or establishes notability, English or otherwise. You can harp on this policy all you want, but there has to be a common-sense threshold where you have to be able to establish notability or verify facts for English Wikipedia without having to hire an interpreter. (And please tone down the snarkiness.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 16:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, verified the two refs for the exhibitions, and they alone make her pass WP:GNG. Having had an exhibition in Tretyakov Gallery alone is no small achievement, and yes, the nomination is misguided. Suggest early closure. --Pgallert (talk) 22:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Possibly, I could verify references which writen on Russian. Also I read this article and I can tell that this source confirm major portion of fact that have be written at article. P.S. Sorry if my English is bad.Синдар (talk) 21:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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