Talk:Ezhava

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 nov 2025

Can you add this in the lead? I can also see that for Nair article ,it has talked about it's batalion formed by british in the article lead.

The British also formed a separate regiment in the British Indian Army called the Thiyyar Regiment in Malabar, which was one of the oldest army regiments in India. The British deployed this unit in various military operations.[1][2] Malabar history (talk) 18:57, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotJamestack (talk) 13:22, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NotJamestack

Please find the request in "change X to Y" format with reliable sources.

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The '''Ezhavas,''' (<span class="IPA-label IPA-label-small">Malayalam:</span> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="ml-Latn-fonipa">[[Help:IPA/Malayalam|[iːɻɐʋɐ]]]</span>) also known as ''Thiyya'' or ''Tiyyar'' (<span class="IPA-label IPA-label-small">Malayalam:</span> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="ml-Latn-fonipa">[[Help:IPA/Malayalam|[t̪ijːɐ]]]</span>) in the [[Malabar region]], and Chegavar/Chovar (<span class="IPA-label IPA-label-small">Malayalam:</span> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="ml-Latn-fonipa">[[Help:IPA/Malayalam|[tʃeɡɐʋɐr,<span class="wrap"> </span>tʃoːʋɐr]]]</span>) in the south, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as [[Kerala]], where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest [[Hindu]] community. ::Ezhava dynasties such as the [[Mannanar]] existed in Kerala. ::The Ezhavas are classified as an Other Backward Class by the Government of India under its system of positive discrimination.
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The '''Ezhavas,''' (<span class="IPA-label IPA-label-small">Malayalam:</span> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="ml-Latn-fonipa">[[Help:IPA/Malayalam|[iːɻɐʋɐ]]]</span>) also known as ''Thiyya'' or ''Tiyyar'' (<span class="IPA-label IPA-label-small">Malayalam:</span> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="ml-Latn-fonipa">[[Help:IPA/Malayalam|[t̪ijːɐ]]]</span>) in the [[Malabar region]], and Chegavar/Chovar (<span class="IPA-label IPA-label-small">Malayalam:</span> <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="ml-Latn-fonipa">[[Help:IPA/Malayalam|[tʃeɡɐʋɐr,<span class="wrap"> </span>tʃoːʋɐr]]]</span>) in the south, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as [[Kerala]], where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest [[Hindu]] community. ::Ezhava dynasties such as the [[Mannanar]] existed in Kerala. The British also formed a separate regiment in the British Indian Army called the [[Thiyyar Regiment]] in Malabar, which was one of the oldest army regiments in India. The British deployed this unit in various military operations. ::The Ezhavas are classified as an Other Backward Class by the Government of India under its system of positive discrimination.

Malabar history (talk) 15:09, 7 November 2025 (UTC) [reply]

References

  1. ^ Biswas, Ashim (2023). "The Thiyyas of Kerala: A Socio-Historical Analysis" (PDF). Journal of Historical Studies and Research. 3 (1): 103–113.
  2. ^ L.K.A.Iyer, The Mysore Tribes and caste. Vol.III, A Mittal Publish. Page.279, Google Books
  3. ^ Mandelbaum, David Goodman (1970). Society in India: Continuity and change. University of California Press. p. 502. ISBN 9780520016231. Another strong caste association, but one formed at a different social level and cemented by religious appeal, is that of the Iravas of Kerala, who are also known as Ezhavas or Tiyyas and make up more than 40 per cent of Kerala Hindus
  4. ^ Gough, E. Kathleen (1961). "Tiyyar: North Kerala". In Schneider, David Murray; Gough, E. Kathleen (eds.). Matrilineal Kinship. University of California Press. p. 405. ISBN 978-0-520-02529-5. Throughout Kerala the Tiyyars (called Iravas in parts of Cochin and Travancore) ... {{cite book}}: ISBN / Date incompatibility (help)
  5. ^ Radhakrishnan, M. G. (5 September 2012). "Caste-based organisations NSS, SNDP form Hindu Grand Alliance in Kerala". India Today.
  6. ^ "Guess who's after the Hindu vote in Kerala? (Hint: It's not BJP)". Firstpost.
  7. ^ a b Pullapilly (1976) pp. 31–32
  8. ^ a b "Central List of OBCs: Kerala". National Commission for Backward Classes, Government of India. Retrieved 2017-04-16.
  9. ^ Mandelbaum, David Goodman (1970). Society in India: Continuity and change. University of California Press. p. 502. ISBN 9780520016231. Another strong caste association, but one formed at a different social level and cemented by religious appeal, is that of the Iravas of Kerala, who are also known as Ezhavas or Tiyyas and make up more than 40 per cent of Kerala Hindus
  10. ^ Gough, E. Kathleen (1961). "Tiyyar: North Kerala". In Schneider, David Murray; Gough, E. Kathleen (eds.). Matrilineal Kinship. University of California Press. p. 405. ISBN 978-0-520-02529-5. Throughout Kerala the Tiyyars (called Iravas in parts of Cochin and Travancore) ... {{cite book}}: ISBN / Date incompatibility (help)
  11. ^ Radhakrishnan, M. G. (5 September 2012). "Caste-based organisations NSS, SNDP form Hindu Grand Alliance in Kerala". India Today.
  12. ^ "Guess who's after the Hindu vote in Kerala? (Hint: It's not BJP)". Firstpost.
  13. ^ Biswas, Ashim (2023). "The Thiyyas of Kerala: A Socio-Historical Analysis" (PDF). Journal of Historical Studies and Research. 3 (1): 103–113.
  14. ^ L.K.A.Iyer, The Mysore Tribes and caste. Vol.III, A Mittal Publish. Page.279, Google Books
 Done tony 17:30, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Origin Theory Request

"Hello editors, I would like to propose an update to the 'Origins' section of this article. Currently, the article focuses heavily on the Sri Lankan (Eezham) migration theory. However, there are significant historical arguments and references suggesting that the Ezhavas originated from the indigenous 'Villavar' or 'Illavar' clans, connected to the Chera dynasty, rather than migrating from Sri Lanka. To ensure a neutral point of view, I request that this indigenous origin theory be added alongside the existing theories. I am ready to provide relevant citations and historical references to support this. Please consider this request." KEditor88 (talk) 03:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Connection to Chera Dynasty and 'Villavar Kon'

I propose adding a section regarding the indigenous 'Villavar' origin theory of the Ezhava/Thiyya community, supported by historians. Villavar Connection: Historians (e.g., Dr. M.S. Jayaprakash) argue that the community originated from the "Villavar" (Archers) clan, which was a prominent warrior class in ancient Kerala. The term 'Ezhava' is believed to be a linguistic derivation from Villavar -> Illavar -> Ezhava. Chera Dynasty Link: The ancient Chera kings held the title "Villavar Kon" (King of Villavars/Archers). This strongly suggests that the roots of the community are linked to the ruling class of the Chera dynasty, rather than a migration from Sri Lanka. Indigeneity: The identity of Ezhavas/Thiyyas as the descendants of these original inhabitants and rulers (Villavars) should be highlighted to provide a balanced historical perspective alongside the migration theory. I request editors to review the works of historians like Dr. M.S. Jayaprakash and include this indigenous Chera-Villavar lineage in the article. KEditor88 (talk) 03:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political underrepresention - Discuss

The Ezhavas are classified as an Other Backward Class by the Government of India under its system of positive discrimination.[1]Despite constituting around 24% of Kerala’s population, the community has been described as under represented in both the LDF and the UDF. In the LDF ministry, Ezhavas have held 5 ministerial positions, while the Nair community, which comprises about 12% of the state’s population, has held 7 ministerial posts. Within the UDF, representation concerns have also been raised. There is no OBC representation in the top leadership of the Congress in Kerala at present. Of the 14 District Congress Committees (DCCs) in Kerala, only 4 have presidents from the Ezhava community. Among the state’s 14 Congress MPs, only 2 belong to the community, while only 1 of the party’s 22 MLAs represents the Ezhavas. Additionally, none of the three newly appointed working presidents of the KPCC are from the community.[2][3][4]


This is an important thing and is convered by multiple lead news papers in India. The article should not be a dead one only talking of fr historical perspective, but should be updayed.

As being a backward caste with almost 1/4th of the Kerala population, it is under represented in politics. In Congress almost it's representation is null and the articles convered the same. I think a small mention of it should be in the lead, as and maybe a separate sub section in the body دثلميح (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan pinging you here as I have seen you engaged in india-cultural-history-politics related talk discussions. دثلميح (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Central List of OBCs: Kerala". National Commission for Backward Classes, Government of India. Retrieved 2017-04-16.
  2. ^ "Congress faces backlash over caste imbalance in Kerala leadership revamp". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 2025-12-14.
  3. ^ "UDF will not come to power if Ezhava community is ignored; AICC secret survey becomes warning to UDF". Kerala Kaumudi. Retrieved 2025-12-14.
  4. ^ "In vote-bank 'theatre', Ezhavas still in search of key role". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 2025-12-14.

Stable version - discussion

This is the stable version of the article before @Miamiller777 changing the lead without talk consensus [1]

This is the stable version before he changes the lead.

I wouldike to keep to the stable version. دثلميح (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@black kite دثلميح (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have no disputes with you the cureent version is to tonyst not by me Miamiller777 (talk) 19:05, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@black kite
The version you made is after @Miamiller777 changed. You can see edite after oct 21 2025 where he added 'choga and placed the lead sentence to the variation section. Please see history after oct 21 2025 where he changed the lead without talk consensus. دثلميح (talk) 19:09, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
where did i added choga ?? I moved the disputes to a variation section as it it was heavily povish and was violating the WP: Lede , I had discussed it with the editor and the editor approved me to do so . Many editors had verified it. The chooga was not added by me FYI Miamiller777 (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No you changed the lead without talk consensus which was there for years as results of talk consensus.
What you changed after oct 21 2025 after user @Lova Falk is without consensus دثلميح (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for pinging me. However, I just performed an edit request and know very little about this article, so I don't know if my version is the "stable version". I am simply not knowledgeable enough to have any opinion about this. Lova Falk (talk) 19:22, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stable version is of : lova falk
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This is the stable version before he changes the lead. دثلميح (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
what is the criteria to select the stable form ? Many edits by other users had made in this page. Also i had diacussed it woth lowa folk Miamiller777 (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You need consensus before changing the lead as you wish. Which you have not done. The lead is the results of long talk discussion consensus and you can blatantly change it. Also the word 'chogar' in the lead you added is unsourced and caste pov push دثلميح (talk) 19:18, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
[[3]] Please check to the talk section were the move is clearly discussed and lova approved it. After that many modofocations are made at this page. That is defenitely not a stable form Miamiller777 (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not like that in user talk. You should discuss in the article talk. Not private talk on someone talk page after yoiade changes دثلميح (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
wait the chofo whatever is not added by me it is present even before lova Miamiller777 (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had notified any changes to the editor the cureent version is not by me by by tony st you are welcome to change anything by providing proper sources . Miamiller777 (talk) 19:07, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan pinging you here as it is not productive to throw 'you-you' between I and @Miamiller777.
Also requesting @Black Kite دثلميح (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you are welcome to ping anyone but the thing u said is present even before me moving anything Miamiller777 (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The thing u said is added by alesbi something on 29 September, It have nothing to do with me . I have already provided source for the discussions and many edits were made after that . You are welcome to edit with sources , I have never reverted any of your edits ever . I only discussed it ,If i was so rushy then i would have altered it by myself. Miamiller777 (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What dispute I even made with you ?Did i ever reverted any of your edits? I just notified a violation of policy with the admin which i found and how it is supposed to be a dispute beetween you and me?? I dont wish to indulge in any dipsutes with you nor I have any reason to make any page in any way. My only reason to notify it to the admin was I found to be against the guidelines of the lede policy as it was looking Povish in terms of disputes. I just notified it to the admin , I didnt came with any edit war or anything with you , also the thing u said is not added by me it was present since september 29 Something. The cureent version is to tonyst and not by me , Thankyou . You are welcome to move it to any way by adhering to the guidelines and I have never indulged in any edit war or revert war with anyone through my edit journey not with you or with anyone. Thankyou , best wishes . Miamiller777 (talk) 19:38, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let us be clear We are not discussing what the stable version is here, the article will remain in this version until consensus is reached, as I have explained on my talk page. We should be discussing what changes we would like to see to the existing version. I will be making no further comment. Black Kite (talk) 19:22, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok @Black Kite, let me be clear. 2 things here:
    1. @Miamiller777 moved [4] on oct 22 2025 without talk consensue from lead to 'variation' section:

    Thiyya[1] group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations.[2][3] Recent research by the KIRTADS indicates that the Ezhavas of southern Kerala and the Thiyyar of Malabar are distinct groups with separate cultural and anthropological identities.[4]

    Which was there in the lead for years. As the article has the section of dispute between thiyya/ezhava, this was placed in the lead to balance the article for nuetrality after a long talk discussions and consensus from the article talk including @Sitush. Additon of kirtads is from talk. This should have to be back to the lead (as till oct 21 till @Miamiller777 make this changes) for the balance and neutrality of the article.
    2. The word

    Chegavar

    in

    The Ezhavas, (Malayalam: [iːɻɐʋɐ]) also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar (Malayalam: [t̪ijːɐ]) in the Malabar region, and Chegavar/Chovar (Malayalam: [tʃeɡɐʋɐr, tʃoːʋɐr]) in the south

    is unsourced and need to be removed as it unsourced and pov.
    It should be :

    The Ezhavas, (Malayalam: [iːɻɐʋɐ]) also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar (Malayalam: [t̪ijːɐ]) in the Malabar region, and Chovar (Malayalam: [tʃeɡɐʋɐr, tʃoːʋɐr]) in the south

    دثلميح (talk) 19:38, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The dipsute it 2 sideed and the pulappilly says "They sometimes claims a distinct identity " which is already present in the variation section . Also I can see that tiyya,ishuva and many more is redirected to the same page so what is the need of bringing this in the lede as it is a disputes claim ? Miamiller777 (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Black Kite , It is clearly discussed with lovafalk and lova had approved it. Miamiller777 (talk) 19:45, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    True! However, let me repeat, I am not knowledgeable about this. Your edit seemed good, I gave you a thumbs up, but I don't know much about this subject, and I don't know if I was right or wrong to give you that thumbs up. Lova Falk (talk) 07:03, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    cheevakaavar is not added by me it was already present . You are simply haunting me , Dont simply keep grudges. I have nothing against you . The source says distinct identity. Any form is disputes is already being discussed . Miamiller777 (talk) 19:56, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't bring victim card here and playing innocent here using 'innocent' english. Admin is 20 years in wikipedia and has seen all types of games.
    I have not 'attacked' you anywhere. In fact you are the one who approached 4 editors simulatnously[5][6][7] regarding my sourced edit on 'under representation of ezhavas politically'. If you are really here to contribute you would have reverted my edit and asked me to discuss in the article talk. I was not pushing any unsourced edits, or was engaging in edit war for you to approach talk pages of 4 admins - to make them revert so that you stand in middle enjoying the show.
    But even though you have edit rights (>500 edits) to edit on ezhava, you have approached multiple admins talk page , just to make them to revert it. A normal user would revert it and ask to discuss in the article talk, if you are a responsible editor here.
    I truely suspect you are @Taliparamba, who edited multiple caste pages and interated with @Lova Falk in talk pages. Also you might be earlier @Bilgiljilll. دثلميح (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Miamiller777: User:دثلميح has been blocked as a sock. Likely connected to long-term socks MappilaKhrais and Adhithya Kiran Chekavar, well-known Thiyyar caste promoter. Don't mind the accusations. It is their behaviour to become hostile to anyone who challenge their caste promoting edits.--Teegarden's Star b (talk) 08:31, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Pullapilly (1976) pp. 31–32
  2. ^ Nossiter (1982) p. 30
  3. ^ Kodoth, Praveena (May 2001). "Courting Legitimacy or Delegitimizing Custom? Sexuality, Sambandham and Marriage Reform in Late Nineteenth-Century Malabar". Modern Asian Studies. 35 (2): 350. doi:10.1017/s0026749x01002037. ISSN 0026-749X. JSTOR 313121. PMID 18481401. S2CID 7910533.
  4. ^ {{cite news |title=Thiyyas and Ezhavas are different: Study |url=https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2025/Oct/12/thiyyas-and-ezhavas-are-different-study
allikas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ezhava