Talk:Boron
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give me a Bohr model boron
GA concerns
I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria due to uncited text throughout the article, including entire sections. Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
GA Reassessment
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- Result: While there are some needed citations, the article generally meets GA criteria. I assume a silent consensus has been reached since the last comment was a week ago. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 13:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Uncited text, including an entire section. Z1720 (talk) 02:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. When I checked I found two sections, #Boranes and #Organoboron chemistry without sources. However, both have "Main" or "See also" which is a place where there are probably a few sources. I think a post to WT:Chemistry is appropriate, plus perhaps a little tagging to make it clearer what the concerns are. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ldm1954, an article with GA status is required to have all the sources in the article. Otherwise, you could have an entirely unsourced article with lots of "Main" or "see also" links and none of the article's content actually verified. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I posted to WT:Chemistry (the right Project, it seems they were not notified on the talk page), and it looks like @Plantsurfer, Preimage, and Smokefoot: are making edits. I will defer to them to respond to any concerns @Z1720 and @AirshipJungleman29 have. I have only done a few GA (both sides), they are not as bad as applying for tenure, but there are similarities. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Ldm1954: Thanks for doing that. Feel free to ping me when this is ready for another review, or if there are any questions. Z1720 (talk) 19:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I posted to WT:Chemistry (the right Project, it seems they were not notified on the talk page), and it looks like @Plantsurfer, Preimage, and Smokefoot: are making edits. I will defer to them to respond to any concerns @Z1720 and @AirshipJungleman29 have. I have only done a few GA (both sides), they are not as bad as applying for tenure, but there are similarities. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ldm1954, an article with GA status is required to have all the sources in the article. Otherwise, you could have an entirely unsourced article with lots of "Main" or "see also" links and none of the article's content actually verified. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Smokefoot, thanks for your excellent work improving this article. Some uncited material remains; do you intend to take care of that? No worries if not. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Some comments: The article looks pretty good to me. Some semi-random suggestions, including some snark.
- One fundamental question that seems not to be confronted for element articles is scope. Should "use" section catalogue the major uses of any compound of the element, or should it catalogue the uses of the element per se. If the latter, there are few apps to be listed for B because the element is not widely used.
- "recent" is used a few times. That word does not work in an encyclopedia.
- "has also been successfully used" -> "has also been used"
- Why show an image of Sassolite? It seems to be a rare mineral (WP:UNDUE). The image gives the false impression that borates are colored.
- Wikipedia editors, especially those less familiar with inorganic chemistry, seem to have a fixation on the possible roles of their element in human biology (see chromium, fluorine, silicon, bromine, boron, and some others). To me, these claims are usually supported by weak refs. Then we get fed this hyperbolic cub-scouting "On 5 September 2017, scientists reported that the Curiosity rover detected boron, an essential ingredient for life on Earth, on the planet Mars." Wow, "scientists" did that, really? What else do scientists do?
- Insufficient mention of sodium borohydride. From Kirk-Othmer's encyclopedia: "Sodium tetrahydroborate ... the most widely used boron hydride... Manufacturer ... Morton International Specialty Chemicals Group ... three plants, Oy Nokia Ab, Farbenfabrik Bayer A.G. ... Chemetall Gmbh..." That is six production facilities. It is used in bleaching pulp, I think.
- BNCT was listed as an app. I moved it. That theme has been pounded on for 50+ years and all sorts of boron researchers pray that it will allow them to justify their projects. But BNCT is not used, to best of my knowledge.
- MgB2 is mentioned a couple of times. Kinda speciallized, consolidate?
- mention of 20 Mule Team Borax: parochial US content?
- "Boron carbide is a ceramic material which is obtained by decomposing B2O3 with carbon in an electric furnace" You mean carbothermic? Decomposition is a vague term for a chemical reaction.
- "Boron is rare in the Universe and solar system due to trace formation in the Big Bang and in stars." seems like cyclic argument... it is rare because it is rare.
--Smokefoot (talk) 17:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2025
I would like to add a citation to boric acid as a domestic insecticide HyperlinkJumper (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please either provide the exact citiation and where you would like it to go, or wait until you have made enough edits to edit semi-protected pages yourself. PianoDan (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Equation error? (I'm not a mathematician)
Regarding: 4th paragraph: ... a poor electrical conductor at room temperature (1.5 × 10−6 Ω−1 cm−1 room temperature electrical conductivity).[16]
My thinking is CHANGE "cm-1" TO "m-1 siemens per metre" (m to the power of -1)
The exact formula is copied from reference [16] "1.5 × 10−6 Ω−1 cm−1 room temperature electrical conductivity". (which I believe might be a typo error?)
All of this depends on the "electrical resistivity of Boron" (not referenced) which is evidently inexact and and very difficult to quantify. If this is the case it should be so noted.
On the Boron page, the 'characteristics pane'"Other properties", Electrical resistivity is listed as (no reference): ~10(exp)6 Ω⋅m (at 20 °C) ... (NOTE: "m", not "cm") the reciprocal of which is a factor of ~100 different from the problematic equation ... and the SI unit of measurement of conductivity is "siemens per metre" (S/m), and conductivity is the reciprocal of resistance. ~2026-12934 (talk) 16:35, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
- Last words of post should be: reciprocal of resistivity. ~2026-12934 (talk) 16:47, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
- I found a reference that questions ref [16] but supports the Boron characteristics pane: Other properties > Electrical resistivity: ~10^6 Ω⋅m
- https://material-properties.org/electrical-resistivity-of-chemical-elements/
- Boron: resistivity: 1 x 10^15 nano ohm meter
- = 1 x 10^15 x 10^-9 ohm meter
- = 1 x 10^6 ohm meter !!
- .
- Regarding ref [16], based on the above:
- S = siemens
- conductivity: 1 / (1 x 10^6 ohm meter)
- = 1 x 10^-6 / (ohm meter)
- = 1 x 10^-6 S/m = 1 μS/m = .01 μS/cm
- This conductivity is approx 1/100 of ref [16] (1.5 μS/cm)
- .
- Another Very Different resistivity value is in:
- . . https://www.webelements.com/boron/physics.html
- I'm neither a chemist nor a mathematician - somebody else needs to continue with this. I do not have access (nor motivation) to check the validity of ref [16]. ~2026-12934 (talk) 00:30, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
- There is an error in the CHANGE - TO in the initial post. Here is the correction IF ref [16] is in error:
- CHANGE: (where "^" means superscript the following value)
- "1.5 × 10^−6 Ω^−1 cm^−1 room temperature electrical conductivity"
- TO:
- "1.5 × 10^−6 siemens per meter room temperature electrical conductivity" ~2026-12934 (talk) 00:54, 2 January 2026 (UTC)