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In 2019, I created a page initially titled Irish independent politician. Just after its publication, Spleodrach renamed it as Independent politicians in Ireland. In 2023, I proposed moving the page to its current title of Independent politician (Ireland). With no discussion ensuing, I enclosed it after a week, not as such on the basis of consensus, but that there was no comment.

Qwerty123M has objected to the 2023 page move as not following correct procedures, citing an article which predated this one, being Independent politicians in Australia with a different format, and referencing a principle at WP:TITLECON that article titles on similar topics should not differ without good reason. I'm not sure a single other article is sufficient to establish a naming convention, and given the topic, perhaps it is reasonable for them to vary by jurisdiction. On the other hand, Independent politicians in Ireland is more of a natural disambiguation.

Any thoughts? I maintain my 2023 observation that the parenthetical format has practical advantages, i.e., we're much more likely to refer to the "Independent politician Verona Murphy" than to be discoursing about Independent politicians in Ireland. Except, of course, on that page itself. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 12:25, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Iveagh Gardens:, I have no strong opinion on which option is better. I'm happy with either. Spleodrach (talk) 12:17, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Iveagh Gardens,

I'm sorry for causing stress. I just want this decision to be as easy as possible and maybe a move review is not as effective as I thought, or maybe it's too effective but also gets in people's way and brings out bad feelings.

I have proposed "Independent politicians in Australia" be moved to "Independent politician (Australia)" to resolve this dispute.

Kind regards, Qwerty123M (talk) 02:31, 31 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was a clear consensus at WT:TITLE (permalink) that the disambiguation in the titles of constituency articles should be dropped unless needed. The discussion originated with UK constituencies, but would also apply to Dáil constituencies. This would result in the following article titles:

Iveagh Gardens (talk) 07:19, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Iveagh Gardens:, I see editors are moving the Westminster ones, are the Dáil ones going to move as well? Spleodrach (talk) 12:18, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, as I had no involvement in the decision, I noticed it only after the fact, and that some of the Irish UK constituencies had moved. So it might fall to us on WP:IE, if we want to get them in line with the new naming convention. If so, I would suggest the following order: 1. Move articles to new locations. 2. Edit templates containing links to old article names. 3. Use AWB to update links. There are quite a lot of these, some of which will appear multiple times within a single article, and some linked next to links to articles that will not be moving, so the broader but targetted sweep of AWB should be helpful. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:45, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spleodrach, the reason I’d suggested moving them all first before editing incoming links is that we could harness the power of AutoWikiBrowser to tackle the incoming links for multiple articles together, especially useful for catching articles with more than one such page. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 18:38, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iveagh Gardens I don't use AutoWikiBrowser, no plans to start using it either. Spleodrach (talk) 18:50, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough! Iveagh Gardens (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While the shorter form is in line with WP:AT, avoiding unnecessary disambiguation, it creates an error in Template:Irish TD table Dáil (as spotted by Spleodrach), which appears without references if the article title does not have the suffix (Dáil constituency). Until a fix for this can be found, the articles should remain using the previous convention. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 08:04, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PrimeHunter, thanks for your assistance when I queried this at the helpdesk (now archived at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archive 77), and with apologies for not acknowledging your assistance directly; I was abroad from later in the day you provided your suggestion, and had also got caught up in the meantime with a trivial matter here that took up more time than necessary.

Could I check with you if in this edit I added the code as you had suggested? It didn't have the desired effect when I tested it with Wicklow–Wexford, breaking the table on that page into plaintext; however, it didn't effect articles with the (Dáil constituency) disambiguation in brackets. I know Spleodrach has also been trying to find solutions, and Bradv might also have views, having noticed my moves of the pages back to include disambiguating brackets. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Iveagh Gardens: I have moved the code to the right place.[1] I moved Wicklow–Wexford (Dáil constituency) to Wicklow–Wexford and things look right to me. Let me know if there are problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good, I appreciate that! I’ll let you know if there are any hiccoughs, but it looks like we’ve now got this one sorted! Iveagh Gardens (talk) 18:28, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Although North East Cork (UK Parliament constituency) is the only article with a title beginning North East Cork, I don't think it would be a good idea to move that to North East Cork. This is because both the Westminster constituency when created in 1885 and the Dáil constituency when created in 1961 styled it as North-East Cork. However, we might consider moving Cork North-East (Dáil constituency) to Cork North-East, with a hatnote refering to the UK constituency.

I was uncertain about Dún Laoghaire and Rathdown, being quite close in title to Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, but moved it and added a hatnote. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:22, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Lurgan has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:03, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The move I made in April 2023 of Independent politicians in Ireland to Independent politician (Ireland) is under review, where Qwerty123M argues that the earlier title ought to have been retained in keeping with the precedent of Independent politicians in Australia. I'm happy to concede that I could have flagged my proposal more before moving the article, though also think the choice of article title can now be considered in its own right. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boy, that guy has issues! Scolaire (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I don't want to cause stress on anyone's part. Please ask me questions about my behaviour instead of only calling it out, calling out bad behaviour only makes me feel worse.

My problem is that I'm confused — and I think other readers would be confused — why the disputed article has the title "Independent politician (Ireland)" instead of the other format of "Independent politicians in Australia". WP:TITLECON tells us that we should not use differing titles for similar articles without good reason, I haven't seen that good reason yet. My other problem is that I don't think @Iveagh Gardens respected the spirit of consensus-building effectively, because they could have relisted the previous uncontested move discussion or posted it on a WikiProject but they closed it while being involved which is a conflict of interest.

I acknowledge I could have engaged in discussion to gain consensus better but I doubted that I knew what the next steps needed to be. I'm sorry for being rude on @Iveagh Gardens' talk page because I know that engaging in bad faith like that is no way to gain consensus on anything, I think I was just stuck in the heat of the moment because I thought that was such a strange article title and I was very new to the move review process which I don't think I can ever appreciate, that may be one aspect Wikipedia needs reform in, it's too clunky as it currently is and only serves to heap pressure on involved editors. Qwerty123M (talk) 02:26, 31 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has requested that Independent politician (Ireland) be moved to Independent politicians in Ireland, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Qwerty123M (talk) 22:57, 31 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]