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Hatred of Belarusians (Belarusphobia)
When the GDL was founded by people who could not write? Why was Kernave the capital? Which is remembered only after the death of Mindoug? Perobaiter (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is hating Belarusians, but some of their representatives attempts to rewrite the history of Lithuania with pseudoscientific theories have no place in scientific world. It is scientifically confirmed that the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was founded by non-Ruthenian people Balts, while the Belarusians are the descendants of a part of Kievan Rus'. You should check the Radziwiłł map (which was created and published in the first half of the 17th century) where Kernavė was described as "the first residence of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania" (Latin: Kiernow primum M. Duci Lith. domicilium). In the Radziwiłł map Kernavė (Kiernow) is depicted above Vilnius (Vilna) and slightly to the left-side (see the map: HERE). -- Pofka (talk) 10:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PleAse stop spreading fakes about Balts founded GDL , MODERN Lithuanians had name Samagitians they related to Indian people by language. When Samogitians see first time sone of Duce Palemone Lebone they consider him as GOD His name was Spera that his name has a Lake in modern Lithuania now Александр Макович (talk) 23:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My short version of the story is based on the sources that are available at the moment:
Prince Palemon city of Aquileia. Exactly this form of columns is common in Belarus.
Chronicle of Lithuania and Samogitia: where it is indicated 5508 Prince Palemon and 500 families of Romans left from the oppression of Nero and settled up the Neman River to the Dubissa River from where they began to multiply, the Willi crossed over and those who crossed over to the Willi to the east played the Italian trumpet on the pipes and Rus called them Lithuania. The rest before the Willi were called Zhmont.(2) Dynasty of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania. Zhmont was in subordinate status to Palemon from the dynasty of the Roman emperors.(3)
"Among them on the island were four (highest) (2) families of Roman nobles: from the coat of arms of Kitovras Dovsprunk, from the coat of arms of Kolumnov Prešpor Caesarin, and from the coat of arms of Urseins Julian, and from the coat of arms of Rosa Torogo (Hector). (4)
Family of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania1 Palemon (Column Coat of Arms)-2 Kunos-3 Gimbrut-4 Montvil-5 Radyvil(Erdvil)-6 Mikhayla-7 Skirmont-8 Troinut-9 Algimont-10 Ringholt-11 Mendog-12 Voiselk-(transition to Dovspung Coat of Arms of Kitovras)1 Zhyvybud -2 Kunowojt-3 Utenes-4 Svintorig 5 Zhermont-6 Altimin-7 Ranut-8 Narimont-9 Transition to the coat of arms Pogonya)( Troiden-10 Ginville- went to the monastery change of dynasty to the Coat of Arms Columns ) 1 Witten- 2 Gedemin -3 Evnut-Keistut+Olgierd o-5 Skirgailo-6 Jagiello -7 Vytautas(Vytautas)-8 Svydrigailo (deposed and transferred to rule the Russian lands in Kiev)-9 Sigismund-10 Casimir removed as king of Poland))-12 Sigismund-August (offered to become king of Poland)-13 Sigismund (the Old) Poland united the principalities of Lithuania, Rus and Zhmont, but the principality had a separate army, money and a constitution of the confederation.
Princes of Polotsk: 1Veche-Ginvil son of Vel Kn Lit Mikhaylo)(2)-Boris-Rogvalod-Glib Euphrosyne of Polotsk (Prakseda) daughter of Rogvolod and not wife(3) The dynasty was buried in the St. Sophia Cathedral of Polotsk. "God help Boris son of Ginvil" was written on the stones Soviet historians removed "son of Ginvil".
The emergence of the state: Lithuania paid tribute to Russia before the arrival of the Mongols.
"the great Erdyvil (Radyvil) the capital and called himself the great prince of Novogrudok
And he left Novogrudok, and cut down the city of Goroden, and then went to Brest, and found Berestets and Dorohychin and Melnyk devastated and ravaged by Batu; and he cut down those cities and began to reign in them(4) other princely settlements in other cities, including Bryansk.
The Transvolga Tsar of the Horde (Ulus Moscow part of the Horde) demanded tribute as was the Battle of Bod Koydanov(4) where Skyrnut defeated the Horde Balaklai was killed.
Battle of Mogilno Tamara of the Horde and 3 Kiev, Vladimir, Drutsky princes plus 2000 Tatars were defeated in the battle of Mogilno. This created a stable state.
The transformation of the Litvins of the Italians into Belarusians.
Here is the simplest example of how the historical Litvins become Belarusians: "After this, Grand Duke Vytautas, having deliberated with Prince Semyon, summoned Prince Ivan Vladimirovich Belsky, his nephew, and arranged for him to marry that older sister Vasilisa Belukha," (4) Vytautas' brother was called Narimunt and he began to reign in the city of Belsk, receiving the surname Belsky and being baptized with the name Ivan from his patronymic Volodymyrovych, it follows that his father Narimunt was baptized with the name Volodymyr. Just as Vytautas was baptized with Alexander. The colors of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania's flag "Pochonia" changed. (7)
The Statute of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania issued in Latin and Italian has the inscription "Lithuania comes from Italy" (ZDES' FOTO)
The chronicles themselves know how to speak. Until the 20th century, historians did not doubt the authenticity of the Bykhivets Chronicle
Now on earth 8,450,000,000 in 1200 there were 360,000,000, divide we get 247, multiply by 1500 (500 families of 3 people per family) 370,500 would have to come now to have the same impact on the surrounding country.(6)
0Colonna coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania up to and including Vojszelk.
Coat of arms of Kitovras from the Dovspung dynasty on the throne of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania starting from Żywibud to Sigismund.
Starting from Witeny, the coat of arms changes to the Kolyumny dynasty of the Prosper (Prosper Cesar) Caesar's banner could remain a chase and the coat of arms of the ruling house of Kolyumny was the coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Александр Макович (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The state should have its name native
The Lithuanian native name for the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Lietuvos Didžioji Kunigaikštystė, or Didžioji Lietuvos Kunigaikštystė) should be visible. The GDL spoke many different languages, while its leaders were ethnic Lithuanians and spoke Lithuanian, meanwhile Ruthenian (Old Bellarussian) was used as the language in administration only because Lithuanian did not have a script and it was a widely spoken language. Eventually Polish and Latin were used alongside Ruthenian, which could actually be an argument for Polish, Latin, and Ruthernian be displayed, but I believe the Lithuanian name for it should be visible because its rulers were Lithuanian and spoke Lithuanian, and the duchy began in Lithuania, populated by ethnic Lithuanians which spoke Lithuanian. Zirconium-90 (talk) 21:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not the largest state in Europe.
This claim has 3 sources. One, the Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't support this claim at all, the others are not available. 95.91.212.177 (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The third reference claims that a book only covering a period up to 1345 claims that it was the largest state in 1440.
There is a further claim in the lead "
. At its greatest extent, in the 15th century, it was the largest state in Europe" also justified by a reference to a book that can't be accessed.
Apart from all the fake references, the claims aren't made in the correct section in the article itself. 2A01:599:116:83B4:D94F:12E6:DFFD:8BC5 (talk) 12:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Kingdom of Poland article ends in 1386, when the union began, whereas the Crown article specifically covers the period post-1386, when it was part of the union. Presumably, readers would be seeking the union state, rather than the medieval one.
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