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Overturn and restore - This should not have been deleted as a G4 since significant content and many references had been added to this version compared to the version deleted at the AfD. The diffs are [1] and [2]. The deletion criteria states "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion. This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version ..." The new version was quite clearly not "unimproved" nor "substantially identical to the deleted version". I raised this with the deleting admin who asked me to bring it here.[3] TerriersFan (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Can't see it to compare, I'm afraid, but it may be helpful for me to say that I think the speedy deletion criteria allow relatively little leeway. G4 is only to be used with content that's substantially identical. If there's any room for doubt, then it's better to send it to AfD than for one administrator to make a judgment call, because although our admin corps are by and large earnest and well-meaning, the wisdom of Solomon doesn't come bundled with the tools. If there's been such an improvement in the article that it's no longer "substantially identical", then AfD is probably the best place to make a decision.—S Marshall T/C 23:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • • It's now at Kris Gate. TerriersFan (talk) 00:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Overturn not a G4. I don't think he meets our requirements for inclusion, but it's not so obvious that the updated article should be IAR deleted. Certainly much better than the one deleted at AfD. Hobit (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Undelete and list at AFD Recreated text wasn't the same and there is a claim to notability as the subject is now playing for a professional football team - albeit in the conference. With 3 years between the AFD and the good faith recreation a G4 is completely wrong. The deleting admin can consider themselves trouted. This is so straightforward can someone speedy close? Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]