Hello @PeeJay: can you check my last revision on the World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup article please ? There was no 2023 PNC, these sources indicate that : [1] ; [2] for exemple. I think the 2023 article sould be deleted or renamed Pacific Nations Series for exemple because it was only a test matchs series. In 2023 and 2024, I opened 2 discussions on this subject but got little response and no decision was made. Thanks in advance, have a nice day ! Arn6338 (talk) 10:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks reasonable to me, but I'm not really that familiar with how things go in the Pacific region. – PeeJay 11:40, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks, I came to talk to you because I know you're contributing on rugby and because I'm on Wikipedia in French, if you know other contributors to the WikiProject Rugby union can you discuss it with them if possible please, because I don't know them and English is therefore not my first language. Arn6338 (talk) 11:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Template:Minnesota Vikings roster navbox, you may be blocked from editing. As mentioned, several times now, NFL players are not free agents until March 12 @ 4pm ET. Yet, you've, 3 times now, made changes arguing that they're actually free agents without providing any sources, despite a source being provided that states otherwise. This is disruptive and inappropriate, and someone of your tenure and experience should know better than to edit war to intentionally add incorrect information. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't get to call something vandalism just because you disagree with it. I have made no such argument that these players are already free agents. My argument is that referring to them as "impending" free agents is unnecessarily pernickety. We agree that as of today they are still on their teams' rosters but that they will officially become free agents on March 12th - that is not in dispute - but if you look at any source, you'll see them already referred to as free agents; the reason for that is because barring their current team offering them a new deal before March 12th, they will be free agents on that date. We have to assume that readers at least have some sort of clue about what they're reading and don't need everything spelled out. – PeeJay 23:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't get to call something vandalism just because you disagree with it. – Which is why I don't do so when I simply disagree with something. Introducing deliberate factual errors is considered vandalism. Per your own response here, you've acknowledged that the changes you made, repeatedly listing players as free agents, are not accurate. Intentionally adding factual inaccurate information, and edit warring to do so, absolutely fits the definition of vandalism. It's bluntly that simple.

Why would we assume the reader knows that the players are not yet free agents? As previously mentioned, start a discussion at WT:NFL if you think we should create our own house rules to interpret NFL contracts and key dates, because as it currently stands, they're pretty straight forward in that the NFL itself explicitly states players are under contract still. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why would we assume the reader knows that the players are not yet free agents? Because they're still listed in the team's roster template. Referring to players who, as things stand, will be free agents in a month as free agents is not a factual error. I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse with this. – PeeJay 15:03, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse with this – The irony... You're edit warring to add text that misrepresents the situation, you've agreed that it misrepresents the situation, and you say that people will just know better. That's a pretty ridiculous stretch. We're meant to represent facts, not add information, refuse to elaborate, and expect people to just know that it's wrong instead of representing factual information. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an opinion on the content dispute, but it's pretty disheartening that an experienced admin is calling this "vandalism". It is not. Floquenbeam (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: The template regarding deliberately introducing incorrect information calls it that. I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I obviously didn't make a point to clarify that. I thought about it, but deliberate inaccuracies certainly fit my definition. Also feels weird to be called an experienced admin haha, I still feel green. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Well, of course, no one forced you to use a template...) I'm confident PeeJay is not making edits "deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose". When - template or not - you tell someone they're vandalizing, you've basically given up on having a meaningful conversation. It's like calling someone an asshole, and then saying "hey, they aren't calmly discussing this with me!". That's a pretty big ask.

Anyway, PeeJay, after looking at the WT:NFL thread (one of the last 3 archives, I've already forgotten which, sorry) I'd say that's at least consensus-adjacent. Best bet is to temporarily revert yourself, and renew the conversation if you think it came to the wrong conclusion. I have to admit, it seems a little off to say "Free Agents" when they aren't. "Impending" is not the end of the world. Floquenbeam (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll take responsibility for the fact that I didn’t raise my objections at the time of the discussion, since I’ve not really been active on Wikipedia Talk pages recently. But if my objection had been raised at the time, I guarantee we wouldn’t be having this conversation now. I don’t think removing the word “impending” implies that the free agency period has already started, I think readers are smart enough to realise that the players listed are those who will be free agents when the window opens. Of course, the biggest issue is more with the {{NFL roster}} template, which now has categories for Impending Free Agents, Restricted Free Agents and Exclusive-Rights Free Agents, as though the RFAs and ERFAs are somehow not “impending”. That change needs fixing ASAP. – PeeJay 22:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about NFL terminology to know for sure, but would "impending unrestricted free agents", "impending restricted free agents", etc work? Anyway, I see now you folks have been discussing this at the NFL template talk page, but maybe you need more eyeballs. A neutral pointer at WT:NFL? And try really hard to give a little grace to each other, even if you're not sure they deserve it; you're both trying to improve the encyclopedia, I promise. Floquenbeam (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the feedback @Floquenbeam, as always I welcome it. You're right, I could have opted not to use a template. The frustrations stem from an unwillingness to respect that the previous discussion determined one thing and they were reverting to something which is clearly inaccurate. One of those "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" moment when someone was making edits that make something clearly not accurate. I'll keep your feedback in mind in my future interactions. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My response to that is that the way the template was before was not inaccurate because readers understand that free agency doesn’t open until March and the players listed aren’t actually on the market yet. Trust me, I’m not trying to make the encyclopaedia worse, I’m just showing some editorial nous and some understanding of the audience. – PeeJay 23:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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