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This should probably just be a list of articles in Category:Delta Air Lines accidents and incidents, rather than an indiscriminate list of random Delta accidents. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:55, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The list should contain accidents or incidents (per ICAO definition, broadly construed) that involve a Delta Airlines aircraft. Not all of the items on this list are independently notable enough to have a standalone article, so the list of articles in Category:Delta Air Lines accidents and incidents is insufficient. RecycledPixels (talk) 23:45, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The ICAO definition of "incident" is "an occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft which affects or could affect the safety of operation". Broadly construing that definition would mean that we could include a screw being loose on a tire on this list. I don't think that meets WP:LISTCRIT or WP:NOTDB. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:59, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Such an incident would probably fail WP:V for inclusion as someone is unlikely to find an independent, reliable source that reported that loose screw. RecycledPixels (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, exclude all incidents except for possibly having a few that are notable. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What about a clipped wing? voorts (talk/contributions) 02:23, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't have a problem with this type of entry in a "list of accidents of airline X" article since it will have a reference to a reliable source if someone wants to put the time in writing it. Usually someone tries to write a standalone article on the incident, it's brought to AFD, and the result of the AFD is "merge to list of accidents of Airline X". RecycledPixels (talk) 06:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Minor accidents should probably be omitted. Any accident resulting in death or serious injury, or substantial aircraft damage should be included. Any accident capable of sustaining a stand-alone article, whether meeting that criteria or not, should be included. Mjroots (talk) 12:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about in-air near misses that lead to emergency landings and/or minor passenger injuries, just as an example? That's just one off the top of my head that I sometimes see that wouldn't meet the above definition, which I guess is my point about trying to legislate point-by-point inclusion parameters. Just use common sense. If you see someone writing about an incident about a loose bolt in a tire, it's a wiki. Use BRD and take it back out. If challenged, discuss the value of including the incident with the other person rather than trying to win an argument by pointing to a sign on the wall that says that an aircraft with fewer than 25 passengers must experience a period out of service of at least thirty days and the aircraft must have been at least 60% full at the time of the incident in order to be included in this list. RecycledPixels (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The AFD outcome can only be merge because this list has no list criteria. If this list had more stringent criteria, merging wouldn't be appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This incident isn't Delta Air Lines, but it is certainly verifiable. If we don't have any kind selection criteria, I don't see why incidents like this couldn't be included on this list. I'm also not sure how a list with even near misses that lead to emergency landings and/or minor passenger injuries would be encyclopedic. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The whole point of LISTCRIT is to follow the sources while avoiding NOTDB and NOTNEWS concerns. Settling on arbitrary list criteria isn't encyclopedic in my view. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:04, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]