Talk:Tropical Storm Fay (2008)

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Tornado Section Likely Required

Fay now holds another record, most tornadoes spawned by a Tropical Storm (not hurricane) with 41 tornadoes since it hit the Florida Keys. The number of confirmed is not high enough to require it's own article but it's a big note for this storm. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a separate article is not warranted at this point, since most were weak and it was spread out over a week. However, if the numbers grow or if there is a highly destructive and deadly tornado in there, then it might be. A section (minus the charts) would be warranted though. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can you include all of the tornadoes in the main article? If not, then it has satisfied the criteria for being split off into a separate article. Just keep adding them until you feel that the section has become too unwieldy and then split 'er off. Plasticup T/C 00:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that if there is an EF3, more than 3 EF2's, or >50 total, it gets it's own article. For now, there's not many that have been confirmed. I've only seen 5 confirmed, 1 EF2, 4 EF0. There are probably others but I haven't seen them. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right now I have found 16 Fay-related tornadoes (1 EF2, 10 EF1's and 5 EF0's) and no fatalities (only three injuries) which does not warrant an article using the Severe Weather project standards. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The severe weather criteria are for pure tornado events. This is different, and if the main article (i.e. this one) cannot contain all of the information that we wish to provide then it should be split into a new article. Criteria, standards, guidelines, etc are not one-size-fits-all fixes. Plasticup T/C 14:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The TCR suggested there were over 80 Fay-related tornadoes, which would clearly warrant a separate article (my count from NCDC archives was 49 which is borderline). Should an article be created? CrazyC83 (talk) 04:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think one could be made. I worked on one for Hurricane Cindy (2005) a while ago and it had under 50 tornadoes. I'm sure you'll be able to get much more information than I could though. Cyclonebiskit 05:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement

This storm has caused at least 180 million dollars in damage. I'm not sure if it will be retired, but could we give this storm the main article? It appears to be a very destructive storm. The damage was only estimated to be at least 180 million, so it could be higher than that. True, 180 million in damage appears low, but for a tropical storm, it's pretty impressive. Should we move the page to Tropical Storm Fay? 76.236.187.191 (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we can't unless it is confirmed to have been retired. It should stay as Tropical Storm Fay (2008) for the time being. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying the name Fay will be retired; i'm saying it's likely. 180 million in damage is the least possible number it cam be. Therefore, that can't be an overestimate, but it could be an underestimate. Fay is the third most destructive tropical storm on record in the Atlantic Basin, behind 2001's Allison and 1979's Claudette. It's not everyday you see a Tropical Storm do 1/5 of a billion dollars in damage or greater. I think Fay has about as much of a chance of retirement as Dolly and Hanna this year as well. 76.236.187.191 (talk) 15:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There were several more damaging tropical storms than Fay. Tropical Storm Gabrielle in 2001 caused $230 million in damage in Florida (later became a hurricane). Tropical Storm Ernesto in 2006 (previously a hurricane) caused $500 million in damage in the eastern US. Tropical Storm Alberto in 1994 caused $534 million (1994 USD, $772M 2008 USD). Frances in 1998 caused $500 million in damage. Fay clearly was not the third most destructive TS on record in the Atlantic. There's an outside chance it would be retired, but we'll leave that up to the WMO, since I personally don't find it that likely. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, edit conflict. Hink, you used the same examples I was going to use! Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, forget that. Still, 180 million was most likely an underestimate. By the way, Ernesto and Gabrielle reached Hurricane Status. I was just saying Fay would be one of the most destructive Atlantic storms that never reached it, whether or not their impacts were as a tropical storm only. I highly doubt that 180 million was the actual damage toll. My biggest estimate would be Dolly's damage toll: 1.5 billion. I think damage was somwhere around 1 billion. Since the NHC doubles the estimates as overall damage, 360 million should be put down for damage, not 180 million. Even 360 million could be too low. The biggest total damage from my perspective is at least half a billion. 76.236.187.191 (talk) 16:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The 180 million was a preliminary estimate from a few county totals, meaning it could go either way. However, it is a total estimate for each county, not an insured estimate. The NHC only doubles the insured estimates to get the total, so yes, 180 million is still the current value. Yes, Ernesto and Gabrielle reached hurricane status, but they caused the majority of their impact as a tropical storm. There's little difference, after all, between a strong TS and a minimal hurricane. Time will tell how much damage from Fay will be, but it's not up to us to speculate now. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you're right. We should wait until the final damage report has been released. 76.236.187.191 (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1.80 billion sounds more reasanadle. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 21:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What does that even mean? ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
$1.8 billion sounds like a better damage total to Evan. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This might be sort of outdated (with the entirety of the discussion being four days ago), but I think $1.8 billion may be an overestimate. But I do agree with Evan on one aspect; I do find it believable that Fay would be a billion-dollar storm (which would make Fay Florida's first billion-dollar TS, BTW). My estimate is around $1 billion. $1.4 billion tops. --Dylan620 (Home • yadda yadda yadda • Ooooohh!) 22:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alison caused more floding and reached 2 billion.Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 00:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, this conversation is not constructive towards the article and should be discontinued. If you want to continue this conversation please talk at hurricanes.wikia Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we can discuss about this later when the official damage total comes out. Now is not the time for this. Assuming Fay's damage being 1 billion or so is violating the WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOR laws. We will wait until the official damage report has come until discussing about this. 99.52.153.15 (talk) 16:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NCDC event reports for August have been released, damages are about $180 million. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the NHC's total, which is what matters. We'll wait still. 76.235.165.167 (talk) 22:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Until the TCR comes out, the damage total from NCDC is fine. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess so, although I doubt it actually caused that much damage. 76.236.191.27 (talk) 05:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:V, we write what reliable sources tell us, not what we believe is correct. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 14:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the TCR just came out, and it looks like Fay missed the $1 billion mark. I don't think Fay will be retiried, although it isn't completely out of the question. ANDROS1337 01:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge 2008 Tropical Storm Fay tornado outbreak?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to merge Tropical Storm Fay tornado outbreak into Tropical Storm Fay (2008). (non-admin closure) Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is literally less than 3,000 words. Even though it was a decently notable tornado outbreak, it can be comfortably contained in this article. 155.190.18.45 (talk) 12:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I'm going to fix the mistake first. I khow which going to deleted. Maybe 2008 Tropical Storm Fay tornado outbreak's deletion? MYSKaoi (talk) 10:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — MYSKaoi (talk · contribs) is currently under sockpuppet investigation. Happily888 (talk) 01:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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