Talk:M1895 Lee Navy

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Charger-fed or en bloc clip-fed?

It first says it is "charger-fed" while talking about the design competition, then refers to the "en bloc clips" later on. These are not the same thing. A "charger" is a stripper clip, and is a totally different approach from an en bloc clip, which is loaded into the rifle with the ammo, a la Mannlicher or Garand. From the era, I'm guessing en bloc, According to Google, this gun doesn't actually use either type. It is a magazine-fed gun, and can be loaded with loose ammo, OR a full clip can be inserted...but it doesn't NEED the clip, which is just used to make it easier to load. So, it's closest to an en bloc, but doesn't meet the usual definition of it, which usually means that the gun requires the clip to fire as a repeater. I see some people claiming that this is because the clip has the follower spring integral with it, but this is not true for the Garand at least, and I'm not sure what rifles that is actually true of. AnnaGoFast (talk) 04:38, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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suggested clarifications for Design & Operation

Some of the descriptions of the design and operation are incorrect or misleading. I don’t have a written source, but I do have significant direct experience with the rifle. Unsure how to cite that.

Under “Magazine system” it states that the clip drops free when the first cartridge is chambered. The clip is actually mechanically released from the cartridges the moment you fully insert it. It just usually takes a bit of jostling from recoil or cycling the action to drop free. I’d argue it’s actually mechanically more of a stripper clip than an enbloc clip, it’s just the user interaction that makes it feel like an enbloc. I made a video demonstration here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyJGFF9fT4

Under “Bolt mechanism” it states that the rifle cocks on closing. This is only half true. During the initial camming part of opening the bolt, the firing pin is cocked half way and held there by an extension on the bolt handle. It is then hooked onto the sear and fully cocked as the bolt is closed. So it’s more “half-cock on both” than cock on close.

More than just preventing the opening of the action from a bump, the bolt release lever is necessary to physically hold the bolt in battery. Without it, the bolt would be pushed back open by the mainspring. This is why essentially every other straight pull design is purely cock on open.

I would also propose removing the last sentence of the first paragraph. The safety is the same thing as the firing pin lock mentioned down in “Sights and other features”, which has a more accurate description of its location and operation. Tenacious Trilobite (talk) 14:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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