The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Oakengates#Governance. Nobody here is really convinced that this should be kept, but we don't have a clear consensus to delete either. It's now up to interested editors to determine whether, where to and what of this content should be merged. Sandstein 09:26, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hollyhurst, Telford (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Not seeing any Notability at all. It's part of a parish, and that's it. The article is nothing more than an description of where it's close to. The sourcing is weak, and it links to nothing. KJP1 (talk) 21:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. KJP1 (talk) 21:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: no indication of notability.

PamD 23:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect , now that Rupples has created a destination. I've created the missing dab page Hollyhurst. PamD 06:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete on third thoughts. Non notable, and parish/town council wards do not merit a redirect and dab page entry. (Might make an exception and list this on the dab page, unlinked except to Oakengates, to avoid confusion with other Shropshire Hollyhurst). PamD 14:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Apparently it was a parish ward so maybe is notable per GEOLAND but otherwise although its on Google maps it isn't an OS settlement. As noted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hollyhurst there are other settlements with this name including another in Shropshire but this one doesn't appear notable. The creation of this article reminded me of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/InspectorBottle/Archive but the author doesn't appear involved in that. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Oakengates#Governance a header I've just renamed and added a list of wards under. Hollyhurst, centred around Hollyhurst Road, is one of four wards making up the civil parish of Oakengates. When recently verifying narrative on this article the only sources I found were maps and a mention within a news item on local elections, so there doesn't appear to be sufficient coverage to pass WP:GNG. Rupples (talk) 01:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep to merge to Oakengates#Governance I found these sources mentioning Hollyhurst, they hint to something once existing here, likely a row of coal miners cottages or industries?: [1] - The Colliery Year Book and Coal Trades Directory, [2] - The Black Book, A Directory of Solid Fuel-burning Appliances and Associated Equipment. Of course this could all be covered in Oakengates. I am just looking but these two sources only record one or two mentions of people and a small settlement like said maybe housing or industries. When compared on an OS map like here: [3] The area is occupied by Wombridge Iron Works and then in another side by side of 1940s, it is almost if anything abandoned. Nothing there but likely wasteland? I think Wombridge could have an article of its own since it has some mentions online with historical and other notes. Of course I will make on my sandbox and will maintain it as a draft until the time is right to offer it up as a separate issue. Hollyhurst perhaps should be put under Oakengates. Maybe as a ward and a little about the iron works once occupying an area north of Oakengates. DragonofBatley (talk) 08:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - This is very helpful. Could it have wider application? There are a lot of wards/suburbs/areas articles which appear to have little/no notability. An example I'm just looking at is Daisy Bank. Could we Re-direct it into the Suburbs section of Walsall? KJP1 (talk) 08:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I think Daisy Bank is a bit different to Hollyhurst. I'll explain briefly but formally why. Daisy Bank had two names Daisy Bank, Walsall and Daisy Bank railway station near Bilston. Now thats two different areas. But Walsalls Daisy Bank has some notability even if minor to primary research.

  • Links include: National Collection of Aerial Photography

  https://ncap.org.uk › NCAP-000-0...

  Daisy Bank; Walsall District; England | NCAP - National Collection of Aerial Photos, The National Archives

  https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk › ...

  Coach house & stables, Daisy Bank for Samson Fox, Walsall] - The National Archives, The Walsall observer, and repository of local literature - Page 74 - The Walsall observer, and repository of local literature - Page 74. These are just examples. Perhaps these could be added to the article and see if it may help whether it has enough notability to be an article? Maybe like Chuckery, Caldmore and Pleck for example? Just a suggestion DragonofBatley (talk) 11:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:24, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I don't really oppose redirect to Oakengates, but nor do I think it would be useful – the article is named "Hollyhurst, Telford" and I can find no evidence that there is a "Hollyhurst, Telford" in the sense that people call a neighbourhood of Telford "Hollyhurst". The addresses in the ward all give their neighbourhood as Wrockwardine Wood. The electoral ward is specifically for Oakengates parish – it has no relevance outside of the context of Oakengates parish – so is unlikely to ever be referred to as "Hollyhurst, Telford". In the 2 sources that DragonofBatley cites, Hollyhurst appears to be the name of a house/property in an address (and again, the addresses give the property's neighbourhood as Wrockwardine Wood). Joe D (t) 18:21, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Like Steinsky, I don't find evidence of a Hollyhurst ever being here. This was historically Wombridge, with the spot geolocated in the article being in the middle of the erstwhile Wombridge Iron Works and south of the Wombridge Colliery. Yes this is the Wombridge that is in the VCH, that we don't even have an article about. Hollyhurst Road, the only thing apparently named Hollyhurst on any map, is off Wombridge Road, for pity's sakes! I cannot find anything to indicate that this isn't just made up from whole cloth based upon 1 road name. How on Earth does anyone research this place and not come up with Wombridge straight away? Or manage to invent a Hollyhurst? Uncle G (talk) 11:59, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • DragonofBatley, who created this, if I recall correctly said the place names used for article titles were taken from Google Maps and Hollyhurst is indeed named thereon. Rupples (talk) 13:58, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I cannot speak to Google Maps, which in my experience scrapes names from random business WWW sites that do not know their own proper addresses; but I'm consulting non-dumb-algorithmically-made maps like the modern O.S. maps that still have Wombridge marked today (and no Hollyhurst) just south of the geolocation pin in this article and this 1885 O.S. map which has "Wombridge" in three sizes of type splatted across it. It's quite unsubtle about it. ☺ And from knowing the correct name it is but a short step to the history books. There's not only the Victoria County History. There are a number of Shropshire history books that document, for example, the Augustinian priory of St. Leonard in Wombridge (Wombridge Priory), remembered today in the name of Priory Road that is just south along Wombridge Road from the aforementioned Hollyhurst Road. In the face of all of this, which practically shouts itself from maps and history books, it is absurd to go with the idea of Hollyhurst. Uncle G (talk) 06:15, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is verifiably a Hollyhurst ward for elections to Oakengates Town Council, but I'm coming to the view that such wards don't even merit a redirect, which would logically require a dab page entry too in most cases. (Although a dab page entry might just be useful here, as there is a real Hollyhurst also in Shropshire!) PamD 14:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Just in case anyone was thinking of it, we now have a draft for Wombridge at User:Aymatth2/Wombridge. Uncle G (talk) 09:40, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.