This review is transcluded from Talk:Amos Yee/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: OpalYosutebito (talk · contribs) 01:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 02:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 02:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OpalYosutebito, I've started a bit of the review below. I just wanted to note that you've received six reviews but haven't reviewed any GANs so far. If this is because you don't know where to start, I would love to help, just leave a note here or at Wikipedia:Good article mentorship and we can work on it. You may also be interested in User:Kusma/Pledge, which is a process where if you say you will review an article, your nom will be reviewed within a few days (better than 9 months!). Thanks, Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:23, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be sure to review some articles eventually, don't worry! I'm currently editing the Amos Yee article - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:25, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thankyou. I see now that you have 3.5% authorship of the page. If you look at the GA instructions, you will see it says Nominators must have contributed significantly to the article: they are either the author of at least 10% of the article or are ranked in the top five in authorship. Have you asked Someone who's wrong on the internet, Stochas or Starship.paint if they are okay with the article being put up for GAN? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:32, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It says I'm ranked in the top five for authorship, so I'm allowed to put it up for review... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, thanks for the correction. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 04:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 04:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I approve! 👍🏻 Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 22:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Rollinginhisgrave: - it’s been a long time since I have edited this article. I’m not opposed to OY nominating this. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:25, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks Starship.paint. - RIHG

Starting:

• Why is he a former blogger but current YouTuber, when both his blog and YouTube are shut down?
• Yee uploaded a video to YouTube in which he negatively compared Lee to Jesus Christ. This makes it sound like Yee was saying Lee is worse than Jesus
• Yee was then backdated you backdate sentences, not people
• The lede conspicuously says he was a child actor and then doesn't say anything else about it.
• Yee received death threats not in body
• The lede is generally too detailed. Two examples: (1) I don't think for example we need to list what section of the Penal code he was charged under. (2) was transferred to the Stateville Correctional Centre.[16] In December 2023, he was transferred again to Danville Correctional Center.[17] → and has since remained in [Illinois] prison. (Add Illinois if you think the extra detail is important.)

[will continue shortly] Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:10, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the first bullet, it was supposed to be read like "former blogger, former YouTuber, and former child actor", but that sounded redundant. Would "former blogger and YouTuber, and child actor" work better? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be clearer structured as "and formerly a blogger..." - RIHG

• The body is generally overly detailed. I've given the Acting career section a brief copyedit, although it has room for more. Around this section, I can see:
  • for Neo's film, We Not Naughty, a film about juvenile delinquency. → for Neo's film about juvenile delinquency We Not Naughty.
  • "although Yee only had three scenes in the movie" This is based on a passing comment in a barely related interview, and is already covered by the description of his role as minor. Can be cut.
  • called the Chinese New Year a "rip-off of the Western New Year's Day" It's unclear why you can't write this in your own words, which would avoid the necessity of attribution
  • clarified that the video was satirical in nature
  • According to The New York Times, prior to his 2015 Lee Kuan Yew video Another case of unnecessary attribution. The second part of the quoted text can be simply changed to "over the next three years,"
• "Neo defended Yee against accusations of arrogance" You should introduce first that he was accused of arrogance before you say this, or generally move it to a later section.
• Nathan Heller of The New Yorker also noted in 2015 that Yee had been publishing homemade videos ? Unsure what the purpose of this clause is.
• died of severe pneumonia Cause of death not relevant
• Yee went on to describe Lee's followers... This section is already quite detailed, this can be folded into the previous sentence.

I'll skip ahead to make a general point that the article is overly detailed. Continuing from #Molestation allegations:

• Ingenuine is described by the OED as "obsolete".
• We spill 500 words on 5 days worth of newspaper stories, giving the play-by-play. Are there any sources which report on this retrospectively, which will allow us to figure out which parts of it were actually significant? As it stands, this is three times longer than his entire acting career section, giving concerns over weight.

I'll pause here so you can comment on this and hopefully go through the article, cutting the overdetail. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 08:46, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently summarizing and rewriting the molestation section - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm about done with shortening the section down. I'll be sure to keep removing more fluff and redundancies if I come across them! - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thankyou. Now... I chose that section as a random sample to show broader issues with the article. Can you do the same for (most) other sections? Sorry, I know this is a lot, I just intended my previous comment to show this is more pervasive. Take your time, if this takes a bit over the week allocated to most GAs we won't worry. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 02:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to work paraphrasing and summarizing the rest of the article tomorrow. It's starting to get late in my area, so the most I can do is just mass-creating category talk pages lol - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently working on the Lee Kuan Yew video section, which is pretty beefy. However, there are thunderstorms in my area, so editing might be slowed down a bit. Please let me know if there's any more fat I need to trim, thanks! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 21:17, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No rush on my end. What fat needs to be trimmed will depend on the emphasis of sources. I recommend consulting Wp:Avoid contemporary sources for further advice. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 01:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. In that case, I finished trimming the "molestation allegations" section, since I believe the negative response from the press is self-explanatory and somewhat redundant... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:04, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also removed redundancies in the slapping section, since it seemed pretty straightforward to me - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 21:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm starting to clean up the "Charging and remand" section, which is like five paragraphs long. I noticed quite a few grammar and sentence structure edits, after which I'll get to work removing redundancies, undue weight, and contemporary sources - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 15:18, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're doing good work so far. Checking in, In a 6000-word exposé,[101] Yee defined "molest" as "disturb", making the allegations accurate. is quite problematic: "exposé" is not a neutral description, as it implies truth. Simply say "document" or equivalent. Disturb is ambiguous (disturbing (predatory) or disturbing (peace)?). "Making the allegations accurate" is also an issue, "justifying his characterization of molesting by saying it meant "disturb"" (not that, better) would be more neutral and conforming to MOS:SAID. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 01:14, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It's late in my area, so I'll continue working on it tomorrow - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:07, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think I fixed that - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 21:11, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've been working on the article a little more. I think it would be best to get someone who's more familiar with Singaporean English to copyedit, since I'm not overly familiar with that style of spelling... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should I remove this part from "Sentencing and further remands", as it comes off as speculative and over relying on current sources:

During Yee's remand, new posts emerged on his Facebook page, which compared him to activists like Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela. The posts also included complaints about life in prison. The posts intrigued the media and public since the Singapore Prison Service confirmed that all inmates and remandees do not have access to any telecommunication devices within the prison. In response, one of Yee's lawyers, Chong, said that they were not aware of this and did not "want to speculate."

As always, thanks for your help! - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 16:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Was the incident described at all in any coverage that wasn't contemporary? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 16:47, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. Even if it was, I still think it would be a little too speculative to include in the article... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 16:55, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amos Yee's mom is named Mary Toh, so I made more grammatical and sentence adjustments to match with that fact. I also removed some more "trivia"-esque sentences with little to no coverage, like how Yee's lawyers wanted someone who's not Christian to hear the appeal. - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:06, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Once you've finished up with the body, have a look at trimming the lead — it's about the same length as Abraham Lincoln's, even though the body of the latter is triple the size and covers a much more complex character. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 02:17, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point lol - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I trimmed down the lead a lot more. Please let me know if it's too short or still too long - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 13:49, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OpalYosutebito, have you finished cutting the article down? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 12:56, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the most part, yes, unless there are any specific (sub)sections you'd like me to focus on - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 13:20, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just had an idea, @Rollinginhisgrave: what if I merged the "international reactions/criticism" sections? My reasoning is that having the reactions separate would make them less likely to distract readers from the timeline/documentation of events, if that makes sense... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 13:42, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sections I plan on merging are: Initial reaction, International reaction, Criticism/Protests. I'll get to work in my sandbox to demonstrate what it might look like - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 20:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks OpalYosutebito, I'll have a look in a bit later, I've just left some more points below. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 07:29, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. You can find my brainstorming here - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 16:02, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave I incorporated most of the brainstorming into the article, and now I'm going back to integrating the new sources a bit more. I'm trying to focus on the reactions that matter the most, such as the HRW/Amnesty International ones, too - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 20:04, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• This is not required as part of the GA criteria, but with an article like this, it's really important for me to be able to see who is publishing the sources so I can assess neutrality. Can you add these in as a favor? If you are unable to, that's okay. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:23, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sure. Are there any sources in particular that you'd like me to flesh out? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:38, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Any that don't have the "Name of the website" parameter filled. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 04:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll get to work, even though it's getting late in New York - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 04:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I think the references are just about done, though I'd like you to check and see if I've missed anything. Thanks for your help so far! - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 21:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for adding these. I can see some missing, (4 in the Controversy over pro-paedophilia opinions for instance) but what you've added helps immensely. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 02:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I just fixed the ones in the controversy section. Please continue to let me know if anything else is missing, as always! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey OpalYosutebito, it's been two weeks since I asked about cutting down overdetail. Could you give me an estimate of when you think you will be done with cutting down over-detail? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 04:31, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's late in my area, but I think it'll be a few more days before I can safely say I'm done with cutting down any redundancies or unnecessary detail - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 04:34, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I made some of the headers a little shorter, and did some more grammar edits - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:53, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• where he took his Primary School Leaving Examination, Is this remarkable? If not, and every student does that (as it seems to me), cut it.
• and began attending Mass independently of his family When was this?
• but in 2013 he was reportedly "kicked out" Google defines reportedly as follows: according to what some say (used to express the speaker's belief that the information given is not necessarily true). Do you want to signify that this is not necessarily true?
• After meeting with a priest to question his confirmation, Yee is doing the questioning?
• and studying skeptical websites and videos he wasn't studying websites and videos, he was studying by viewing/consuming websites and videos.
• In March 2011, Yee's film Jan You should first introduce that he is making films
• The paper described the film as... It makes sense that you would attribute that it was a "twisted dark comedy" (a more subjective evaluation), but it doesn't seem necessary to attribute that it was about a boy convincing his friends.
• although Yee only had three scenes in the movie Conjunction not necessary or appropriate here.
• Yee was accused of arrogance No context given.
• but Neo defended him while also suggesting that Yee needed to learn humility Sounds like he's not defending him, but endorsing the accusations.
• Definitely in the realm of suggestion, and feel no obligation to address this, but marking dead links as such would assist with spot checking.
• In January 2012, Yee was widely criticised by netizens... One lesson I have learnt about writing articles neutrally is to avoid this kind of framing around reactions. Instead, describe what happened, and then describe relevant criticism/controversy. For instance, "In January 2012, Yee uploaded a video to YouTube in which..."
• You again drop us in media res, here that Yee has been uploading YouTube videos. Introduce this upfront, before coming to this specific video.
• as well as noting that he joked about children receiving a one-month holiday for Chinese New Year I can't really understand why you're saying this here.
• Within the video, Yee had also said that it was his fake representation of Chinese New Year as here.
• Sources: I have paused to look at the available literature on this subject and see quite a few journal articles that aren't utilized, but should be. I'll link them here:
  • Free Amos? Overstepping the boundaries of team Singapore
  • Minority Voices and Dominant Structures
  • Amos Yee, Free Speech, and Maintaining Religious Harmony in Singapore
  • Mobilising dissent in a digital age: The curious case of Amos Yee
  • Bonding and Autonomy: A Critical Discourse Analysis of Singaporean Youths’ Internet Use and Identity Politics in Amos Yee’s YouTube Videos
  • Everyday authoritarianism: a political anthropology of Singapore

And so many high-quality results on Google Books. You don't have to be comprehensive, but this literature should be engaged to meet the broadness criterion, even it is just one or two texts. They are also going to, much more competently than newspaper sources, give you an overview insight and better ascertain what aspects should be emphasized.

• Back to the text: Prior to his 2015 Lee Kuan Yew video... Introduce what this is, the reader doesn't know what you are referring to.
• Yee had been publishing homemade videos Seems you are repeating yourself with the addition of the word "homemade"
• both the Singaporean youth and a more international audience So Singapore youth and an international audience of ages not necessarily confined to youth?
• He also claimed that neither of their legacies will last WP:IMPLIEDWIKIVOICE with second half of this sentence.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 07:29, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the last four bullets and did some more edits regarding the Chinese New Year video. You might want to cross some things out if you believe that I have dealt with them - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 14:27, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also removed the part about him taking the PSLEs, as the sentence isn't remarkable. I'll add the sources you sent to the ref ideas so I'm less likely to forget - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 14:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm beginning to incorporate some/most of the reference ideas into the article. So far, they provide a greater analysis of why exactly Yee's "Lee Kuan Yew" video was so offensive, as it was posted during a week of national mourning, and the former PM did a lot to transform the country into a much wealthier/racially tolerant one. However, there were still complaints concerning freedom of speech... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 15:37, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave I'm just about done with the article, to my knowledge. I might want to remove some of the more "contemporary" sources and replace them with more retrospective ones, though... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 15:32, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did some minor cleanup by removing unused acronyms such as HRW - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:03, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Opal, I'm sorry for my inactivity. I'm not really back, but I'll try to wrap up these outstanding GANs for now. I have also forgotten everything about this article, so I'll read back through. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 13:34, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• At this time, it feels weird to have his sex-offender status so prominent in the lead when it is a small part of the body.
• "Throughout the early 2010s"... sorry if it was me that suggested this, but it seems it was over a period of one year? What source is supporting this statement?
• "which convinced Yee." This reads as an incomplete thought.
• "problems" MOS:SCAREQUOTES, perhaps "what he saw as the problems"?
• "but Yee could not attend the third session..." I would remove from here, as its significance is unclear. Otherwise, establish.
• "the same as admitting guilt" Guilt to what?
• I would recommend glossing a few Latin phrases.
• "Another of Yee's lawyers was allowed"... I can't make out what you are saying here.
• "a claim which a psychiatrist later disproved" Can you "disprove" that? I would prefer you simply say he was assessed as not having any mental disorder or condition etc.
• "the sentences being served consecutively" implied.
• "Yee's demeanour when he was freed differed..." I would simply say he appeared pale and gaunt, "wore a frown" is perhaps too literary.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 13:34, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've been busy with school anyways, so that's why I haven't been active, either lol. I'll get back to work ASAP - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 14:51, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave I'm done with the copyediting (as far as I know) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 17:08, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect.

• Deputy Public Prosecutor Hay Hung Chun acknowledged that Yee understood the severity of his actions acknowledged is not the best, as it's putting in wikivoice that Yee understood the "severity" (badness) of his actions, and that's not something we can realy assess.
• Same with "As a result of Yee's remorse", perhaps "expressed remorse"?
• "Yee reportedly filed an appeal against the conviction and sentence" did he file an appeal or did he not? If he did, cut reportedly as it expresses doubt
• "According to Sandra Hudd of the Journal of Applied Youth Studies..." I would cut this. It's kind of obvious?
• "while Grace Fu" Why "while"?
• Neo Gim Huah: Who? Just say "a man" if the name isn't important.
• "denied the possibility of Yee being an armed insurrectionist" Was anyone making this case?
• What is the Martabat Jalinan Muhibbah Malaysia organization?
• "allegedly posting content designed to hurt religious feelings" alleged not appropriate when he was sentenced. Same with "after he allegedly exchanged messages"
• As way of advice, you don't need to specify the year if you say things like "in November 2016, Yee. This was followed up in December 2016".
• I would suggest adding in when he turned 18 at some point, so readers can get a sense of when he is no longer a child.
• I don't understand why he is defending pedophilia. What's his rationale?
• Returning to the infobox, it's too big. Cut out the parents, the known for, notable work, education etc. Remember, per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE "the less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." This isn't really part of the GACR.

Working from this revision

• You cite two sources for birthdate, and neither verifies the fact. N
• [15] Y
• [30] Y
• [45] Y
• [60] N This is only for the wounding feelings charge, and it is not necessarily a fine and jail.
• [75] Y but the URL is going to the wrong page, and I don't think it summarizes the bulk of it, which is Yee giving several examples where he felt Law was making unreasonable demands rather than simply "annoying"
• [90] Y
• [106] Y
• [120] Y
• [135] WP:CLOP.

  Article: "that Yee's actions could generate social unrest and should not be condoned."

  Source: "that Yee's actions could "generate social unrest" and should not be condoned."

• [150] Y
• [165] Y

• Images are easy enough to approve, although it's a shame one couldn't be found of Yee.
• I'm reasonably happy with the neutrality.
• I think you've done a great job cutting this article down to size. Very impressed, so passes overdetail and broadness.
• No issue with stability
• No OR/CLOP clock I found that item, and earwig is picking some more:
  • "statement prompted several police reports from the public".
  • "the aim of jailing Yee in Singapore at such a young age was to stifle his political speech"
  • "following a U.S. immigration appeals court’s decision to uphold his bid for asylum"
  • "had not been eating for several days, was also not sleeping well and was feeling depressed"

Everything else is fine. Once these are addressed, I'm happy to pass. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:25, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'm on a break right now, so I'll continue trimming the fat. :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 16:00, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey OpalYosutebito, how are you going with these changes? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 06:22, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Almost done - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 10:40, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Checking back in OpalYosutebito. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 22:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking over the article right now to see if there's anything you asked me to do, but I forgot. - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 22:53, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned up the "civil unrest" quote - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:12, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey OpalYosutebito, I'm looking at wrapping up this review within the next week, do you think that is possible on your end? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 08:09, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! Just let me know if there are any other changes that I should make - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 12:52, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you indicate in the most recent points I raised which ones you have actioned so I can see your progress? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 13:29, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Rollinginhisgrave! I wasn't feeling well this morning, but all of the changes (to my knowledge) have been made here. A while back, I reworded the "social unrest" quote from an article, took care of the "wounding feelings" source, and added an actual source that verified his birth date - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:04, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for these changes. It's generally better to note next to each point what you have changed so I can see if there's something you disagreed with / missed / if I disagree with how you made the change and don't have to go digging for it through diffs. All the changes look okay, but I would like something ironed out: pedophilia refers to both someone attracted to children under the age of consent, and also refers to someone who is attracted to prepubescent children (see pedophilia). Amos is in the former category — can you clear this up in the text? After that I'm happy to pass the article! Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:13, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying he's actually a hebephile? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:35, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well if he's releasing a video defending what he describes as consensual sex between a 16 year old and a 20 year old, he's not defending hebephilia. Just say something along the lines of "he released a series of videos titled... wherein he defended... based on...". And then later describe him grooming and soliciting images from a 14 year old. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 03:55, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So it would be ephebophilia that he's defending? I'm so confused lol - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 07:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's generally best to just avoid putting labels on these things in wikivoice. Amos is a provocateur, and the meaning of describing his views as pro-pedophile are ambiguous. Before you added that he was defending sex between 16 year olds and 20 year olds, I thought he was defending sex between adults and say, seven year olds. Which is why I asked you to explain why he was defending pedophilia; I couldn't understand any possible justification. I'm really not an expert in this area and I don't particularly want to be, but another reason to avoid these labels is that they appear to be clinical, referencing a persistent sexual preference that we can't discern from Amos' actions. I think describing what he did and what he was supporting without labelling it is sufficient. What do you think? Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 07:53, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll change it back to say pedophilia for consistency purposes - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 07:55, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've given it a brief edit, feel free to revert as you see fit. I've left most of the paedophilia labelling intact as the sources used are too vague to draw meaningful distinctions. And! I'll pass this article! Congratulations, what an endurance race this turned out to be. Your persistence has been admirable, and I've appreciated your patience and willingness to trim this article down. Rollinginhisgrave (talk | contributions) 11:14, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]